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Conversations with Monjoronson, #72 – Social responsibilities;
Core Values; Planetary Management – Mar. 22, 2013
Topics:
Making Divine decisions before taking action
Is sustainability the “goal?”
The advantage of using a spiritual consultant in design teams
Beginning conversations with people about sustainability
More on societies’ responsibilities granting individual rights
Our society is becoming “sociologically/psychologically unhinged”
Society is being attacked from within
Society’s responsibilities involving accidents
Commonalities of Homo sapiens with the 3 core values
Life and growth are innate to your species as part of DNA
Equality is missing from our species
Our world is very primitive, considering the value of equality
The universality of the three core values
Equality and competition
Defending the universality of the 3 core values
Christ Michael’s foresightedness to invoke the Correcting Time
Why are these core values not involved in our current society?
Our current citizens want society to take more responsibility but without
cost
Softening of the border between Mexico and the United States
Understanding the problems of the drug trade
Individuals need a purposeful and meaningful life
Parents are responsible for teaching a life with meaning and purpose
This forum to discuss Planetary Management
Teacher: Monjoronson
TR: Daniel Raphael
Moderator: Michael
McCray (MMc)
March 22, 2013
Prayer: Heavenly Father, Michael, Nebadonia, we come to you
again for another session with Monjoronson and his staff. We wish to thank you all sincerely for your help during
this Correcting Time and for allowing us to take part co-creatively with you all in planning our future. Thank
you and amen.
MONJORONSON: Good morning; this is Monjoronson.
Group: Good Morning, Monjoronson.
MONJORONSON: I have been attending to other duties and have
left Charles to respond to your questions. I am, however, here today and would be glad to receive your questions
and your statements.
MMc: Very good. Do you have any information you
would like to share with us today?
Making Divine decisions before taking
action
MONJORONSON: What Charles has stated before has now come
to flourish and has developed and we have enough assurance now to proceed with our plans that even though we are Divine, even
though we can fairly well predict the future, we do not depend upon those predictions to make hard and fast and irreversible
decisions or actions, but we wait for that moment when you make the decision and take action to then begin emplacing those
developments which springboard from that.
As you were saying before the meeting, that yes, we do wait for sometimes
that odd, spurious, spontaneous response to a situation by a mortal who takes some decision and action spontaneously, and
sometimes the decision and action follow each other so closely that they are almost inseparable. And so, we do
not predicate our actions upon what mortals may or may not do, but make plans and when you fulfill those parts that flow with
our work, then we can proceed; and when it obstructs the flow of our work, then we have alternative options that we can proceed
with. We are pleased now to say that the developments which Charles has spoken of, and which he affirmed with you,
are developing apace and quite nicely, and that now we can begin to put into place those next options for decision and action
which will follow these soon.
Is sustainability the “goal?”
MMc: Thank you. Charles and I were involved in
a conversation over the last two sessions. He was explaining pretty much everything in terms of sustainability. Was
this because sustainability is the goal we are looking to achieve?
MONJORONSON: It is “a goal.” First,
there must be stability; then there must be social sustainability—or at least the attempts to achieve that—and
the third phase is the early phases of the days of light and life. So, social sustainability is something that
has a measurable outcome, a measurable process of achieving; it provides you and us with a developmental schema for proceeding
towards the days of light and life. Social, political, economic stability is a part of that development. When
you begin to see sustainable social, economic and political stability, then you are beginning to see the early phases of social
sustainability and the embryonic phases of the days of light and life. So, yes, it is a goal, but there are other
measurable variables that we can take into account before then. Our work now is to feed these social sustainability
concepts and methodologies to you individually and socially and for groups and associations, educational settings and religious
settings so that you can begin developing these on your own.
The advantage of using a spiritual consultant
in design teams
Yes, there will be mistakes in the beginning; there will be missteps; there
will be misinterpretations, but this is all part of the process. There will necessarily need to be follow-up on
your part, conferring with associates in other groups, and with us to reaffirm your progress in this methodology. This
is where the spiritual consultant has the advantage over those secular design teams, which do not use a spiritual consultant,
that these teams that do will have the advantage of aligning or re-aligning their work to conform to that which will be successful
in the short term and the long term. Human consultants simply do not have the capacity of intellect, the perspectives
of history, or the experience of history on other planets and in those developmentally evolving societies.
Beginning conversations with people about
sustainability
MMc: So, the concept of sustainability that you would like
us to—not just to begin thinking about—but you’d like us to start thinking in terms of that concept. When
we begin to have our conversations about individual rights being extreme and dangerous, should we be phrasing those arguments
in terms of sustainability to people inside and outside our audience?
MONJORONSON: Most definitely. Of course, anyone
who is involved in that discussion, whether opposed or supporting it, will perk their ears up and ask you questions about
what you mean, and that will be your springboard to discuss the fundamental concepts of social sustainability, and of course
the methodology is the bridge between the concepts and the application of those concepts, so they will be curious about that. You
do not need to “sell” this, as it requires those people who are truly curious and interested. Those
individuals who have their minds made up would not buy into what you are saying anyhow.
More on societies’ responsibilities
granting individual rights
MMc: Understood. Charles mentioned that if society
grants the individual the right to have a machine gun, society must also take responsibility for what that individual does
with the machine gun.
MONJORONSON: That is correct.
MMc: It is outside of the box for me to consider that society
should bear the responsibility for the medical treatment and rehabilitation of injured individuals if the machine gun is used
maliciously. Would you share some other moral imperatives to sustainability that we have not yet considered?
MONJORONSON: What your society has not yet considered is
society’s responsibilities and obligations for not only protecting, but to caring for those people who are injured by
the abuse of those rights. That is the core statement. Your society as a democratic society is still
very immature. It has only recently come out from under the umbrella of the monarchy that required everyone to
be a subject; even nobles and the gentry and the aristocracy were subjects to the monarchy. And so, your society
has not taken on the obligations and responsibilities that the monarchy had. If the monarchy abused the subjects,
then the monarchy was responsible for their care. This, as you know, is only primitively developed under the monarchial
system.
However, evolving democratic societies must take into account their obligations
and responsibilities to protect their citizenries from the abuse of rights by individuals. What you will find then,
when this finally reaches the consciousness of the public and of your society, is that it becomes obvious then that society
must limit those political rights of individuals, so that its obligations are diminished, that its financial obligations
for the recovery and healing and care of injured individuals is decreased so that there is a balance. Right now,
there is absolutely no balance in your society. The rights of individuals far outweigh the obligations, responsibilities
of your society.
Our society is becoming “sociologically/psychologically
unhinged”
Therefore, we bring this to your attention. It is one developmental
step that must be exercised and must be developed to grow your society into an evolving, sustainable democracy. Right
now, your democratic society is on the brink of exhaustion; it is simply too tired from cleaning up the mess of the rights
of individuals. We bring these social sustainability concepts and methodologies to your social and societal attention
now, as a means of guiding your society into a more stable and developmentally mature democratic process. Were
we not to do this, your society would continue to fumble to the extent where it would crumble from within, even more so than
it is now.
As you read in the papers and on the Internet news in your society, there
are a tremendous number of random killings, in which the victims seem to have absolutely nothing to do with the aggressor. This
is the evidence of a society that is becoming sociologically/psychologically unhinged. We bring these concepts
and methodology to your society’s attention to help begin rectifying those problems in your society and help it get
on a course towards its evolving maturity in a successful, developmental process. There is no need at this point
on your world for societies to regress, or to devolve and go backwards in their social and political processes. Your
nation could quite easily fall into a militaristic or martial law state within the next decade, were these concepts not introduced
as a counter-balance to that devolving development. Is this clear to you?
Society is being attacked from within
MMc: Yes. So what you are telling us is that
these individuals, the imbalance of the individuals rights, versus the responsibilities of society to help curtail those rights
is dragging our society down and may, at some point in the future, cause it to take a step backwards into, as you say, a point
of martial law?
MONJORONSON: Yes, this is correct. Right now,
this is the most opportune time to introduce these concepts and this methodology to your society. We began this
approximately 10 years ago, and now you are seeing the results of that come out into your society and on the Internet. What
is going to happen in the coming years and coming decade is that there will be these constricting influences that will have
a tremendous effect upon your society. As you are seeing, the weather has become quite extreme. There
has yet to be any major tectonic or volcanic activity in North America, but this will occur. There is also the
prospect of a global economic meltdown, which is in the offing as well. These all will provide a cover for those
malevolent individuals who wish to perpetrate their psychopathy upon the populace at random. There will be more
acts of tremendous violence expressed in your society by these individuals. The rights and protections of your
society, those parts which are highly constructive and which are the base and foundation of a stable society, are being attacked
from within. Your society will eventually have to take a high road and hard stance with these individuals, to mete
out justice to them and therefore the concepts and methodologies of a sustainable morality—or a morality that contributes
to social sustainability—is desperately needed. Its introduction now, too, is perfectly timed. It
is our hope to provide these concepts to the world audience, globally, within a short period of time—weeks or months;
it must be less than a year.
Society’s responsibilities involving
accidents
MMc: I’d like to hear you talk to us about another
example of society’s responsibilities. When society grants the individual privilege to use an automobile,
will you help us understand the responsibilities of society toward those who are involved in an accident resulting in property
damage, and one resulting in injury or death?
MONJORONSON: Let me approach your question sideways perhaps,
which is not in direct response to your questions, but we can get back to your early basis of your question soon. Responsibility
of society is much like a parent: You have children, as society has citizens. A parent has a child who
wants to play baseball, and so you buy them a bat and a ball, a mitt, cleats, shoes and uniform. They go outside
in the yard and practice. Lo and behold, they hit the ball and it goes through the window of the neighbor’s
house. Who is responsible? You are; the parent is responsible. You gave that child the ball
and bat. However, you did not prepare him with the skills, understanding or responsibilities for its use, and therefore, the
child, without thinking, used the ball and bat to practice and improve his/her skills, struck the ball so it traveled through
the window of your neighbor’s house. You, as the parent are responsible for the repair, clean up and replacement
of that window in your neighbor’s house. So too, are the responsibilities of your society towards the rights
of individuals.
However, your society is as immature as the child in the back yard. It
has not come to the parental, responsible adult, mature position of understanding its responsibilities and obligations in
response to the misuse of those rights of the individual. The same can be said for a metaphor with an automobile,
when a child reaches a more mature age, you let them drive your car. You gave them training lessons and so they
are mature, they are responsible, but they do not have the experience in the use of an automobile in the many thousands of
situations in which they will find themselves on the highways and streets. And so, they proceed too quickly through
an intersection, slide through the intersection and strike a car on the other side, and perhaps even a fire hydrant, leaving
quite a mess. Who is responsible, the child or you? You are, of course, because you are responsible
for that child and what the child does, and so you must make amends for this destructive behavior, even though it was accidental.
Similarly, as is done with the child, the society must clean up the mess of
its citizens, therefore, you would place the citizen under a shorter leash so that they have less latitude for destructive
behavior, whether it was intentional or just from a lack of experience. You always want to give individuals in
society the benefit of the doubt to learn and amend their ways to become contributing citizens. Those who do not,
however, will become the full responsibility of society in one way or another.
MMc: I was looking to highlight in one case, the malicious
intent, versus an accident, but it would seem that my parents are responsible for any accident I have with my automobile at
this point, so I’m not quite sure how to interpret that. Society is responsible and needs to take responsible
actions to prevent accidents?
MONJORONSON: Yes, particularly those that generate more
people.
MMc: “Particularly those that generate more people.” Understood. That
is clearly understood.
Commonalities of Homo sapiens with the
3 core values
Charles was talking about the three core values, and he said that the three
core values form a commonality that makes all of us brothers and sisters in humanity. Would you elaborate on this
please?
MONJORONSON: I have reviewed Charles’ transcripts
and I do not believe that I can improve upon what he has said. I will say this, however, that your species—all
of you—you are humans, are you not? Homo sapiens? So you are and therefore you have certain commonalities
to your species. It matters not what color your skin, or your ethnic group, your culture or nationality or your
gender—you are all Homo sapiens and you are motivated by similar core necessities of living and growing, and that is
to have life and that is understood. Once you have life, you want to improve the quality of your life. In order
to do that, you must grow, and your society must appreciate you as valuable as any other individual in an equal manner. These
are what make you human; these give you the potential of becoming morontial. When you learn the responsibilities
of enlisting a higher quality of life, that is socially, morally and ethically acceptable, and you grow in a moral, ethical
and socially conscious way, you value yourself as you do others, and you value others as you do yourself. You are
well on the way towards becoming a spiritually evolving individual.
However, the greatest mischief that still prevails on your planet is that
of equality. Your societies and you as individuals do not have a true appreciation of the value of other individuals,
either positively or negatively. The difficulty with your world is that there are far too many people here, which
skews the value seen in individuals. Were you to truly appreciate the value of other individuals, as individuals and
as societies, you would reconstruct your economy so that everyone has far more resources available to them to improve their
quality of life and grow. I believe that Charles mentioned that, but this is part of the restructuring of your
societies and your culture. This will require a tremendous cultural change across your world. At the
moment, there are far too many people on your world for the equal value of individuals to become a really socially acceptable
and economically viable option at this time. This will have to wait for the pandemics that will sweep across your
world and level the playing field for everyone. It will have a devastating effect, but the outcome will be that
the principles we are teaching you now about the value of individuals will become emplaced in your laws and your social policies
and in your own culture and your assumptions that you are enculturated with as children.
MMc: I see. So, the larger question I am working
on here is how to introduce these core values to others, so I have some preparatory questions that I’d like to ask you. Are
you just introducing these core values as a group to Urantia now, or have they been universal aspects of Urantia’s past?
MONJORONSON: Explain, please.
Life and growth are innate to your species
as part of DNA
MMc: The core values that we see, basically, they are the
aspect of a quality life and the aspect of growth. As you say, pretty much understood within Urantia, and it may
be that these are parts of a more universal aspect within us to become perfect. My reading in The Urantia
Book tells me [it] is an aspect that is a part of us, even before we were human. The core value of equality,
as you say, is not one that we have come to cherish at this point in time, and it is a relatively new development in our sociology. I’m
wondering how much these universal values have been involved with Urantia’s past; how much these have been involved
as a group in Urantia’s past?
MONJORONSON: They are endemic or innate to your species. They
are part of your genetic structure; they are part of those genetic behaviors and those genetic predispositions towards life. They
are innate to your species and have been innate to many other species as well. It requires an evolved mind to want
to grow, even animals will seek a higher quality of life; that is why there were migrations; that is why animals traverse
from the mountain regions to the plains during the seasons, to improve the quality of their life, to make life easier.
To grow, however, requires a different mental mind mechanism that seeks to
grow, which is curious, which feels angst in its living situation and wants to satisfy that. It is a curiosity,
a desire, a yearning for that which is better. There is the consciousness, the awareness of what is, and there
is the imagination and vision of what could be. Therefore, this is the inspiring part of your species that assists
it to grow and to develop, socially and otherwise. This is necessary in the mind mechanisms of evolving species. This
has been an aspect of your ancestral species for over a quarter million years. These are antecedent to Homo sapiens,
just as they will be innate to the next species that evolves from Homo sapiens. These individuals had the capacity
to make decisions, to make moral decisions, and therefore, they had the decision of right and wrong, besides better and worse. It
requires this judging and evaluating on a higher scale, a higher level than mice or other rodents, for example.
You have seen that some primates are capable of being taught sign language,
and that once they have this language, they even begin to speak with each other; they are able to emote feelings of loss and
grief, and have sympathy and even empathy with humans. There are recent anecdotes concerning this in the literature,
which you are welcome to research. Therefore, we should tell you that even the mind of a primate, who is not a
Neanderthal, who is not as evolved as even the species before Neanderthals, that these are capable of emotions and feelings. They
can make ethical decisions, but as far as growth is concerned, this is a great difficulty. These species must have
the capacity of language, and must have the capacity of manual manipulation through their hands to make tools. These
are necessary to help the mind evolve. Does this answer your question?
Equality is missing from our species
MMc: Yes, but in your last explanation, you’ve omitted
equality.
MONJORONSON: This is the major facet, which is missing from
your species. Your species has gotten a thorough grasp of improving the quality of life, and of growth. However,
we see—and you see yourself—that individuals are sometimes trying to improve their lives through immoral, unethical,
illegal, or actions that violate the social conscience of your society. Yet, there are individuals who show tremendous
evidence of ethically and morally achieving a highly improved quality of life by consciously growing themselves, evolving
themselves into higher consciousness.
The aspect of equality is one that is, as you say, not very well grasped by
your species, and it is not truly well recognized in your societies, and therefore the societies are struggling with the value
of the individual. It is struggling, therefore, with its own responsibilities and obligations. Were
your society to fully grasp the value of each individual as a potential asset, who has the capacity to improve the social
sustainability of themselves and their community and society as a whole, your society would thoroughly take on far more responsibility
in preparing the individual for an adult life, a responsible adult life, and for the responsibilities of begetting children. This
is the aspect of equality, of equal value of individuals, that then prepares you as an individual for an aspiring spiritual
life. You have seen, however, in your societies, those Avatars, those Masters, those highly evolved individuals,
who have appraised others as equally valuable as themselves, which is essential for peaceful development of social stability. Your
world, your societies and your cultures and democracies are well prepared for this next social evolutionary step. It
must be ingrained in your culture to value others equally, as you value yourself, and to give others equal consideration for
their rights to grow, their rights to have a quality of life. This one fundamental understanding is the basis for
the evolution of your societies to become more stable, more social, more evolved and more peaceful, all of which leads to
greater social sustainability and the days of light and life.
Our world is very primitive, considering
the value of equality
Your world is very primitive, considering this fact: There are
many of you in your own society who are egregiously condescending and arrogant in their treatment of others. This
is evidence of a thorough lack of understanding of their own worth, in comparison to others, and the worth of others compared
to themselves. This disparaging treatment of others as individuals, as families, as communities and societies,
and ethnic groups will come to an end eventually. We are here to assist that process by presenting these evolved
concepts of equality to you at this time. When these begin to be emplaced in your laws and social policies
of societies, whether in for-profit or non-profit, or other organizations, then you will see the beginning of a rapidly evolving
society. This is the main problem of the world now. There is not the conscious thought of parents about
the quality of their children to others, and so you find that there are families which have 8, 9, or 10 children, which creates
a tremendous draw upon the resources of your society, which takes away from the resources of others yet to come in the next
generations. Until this equation of population is balanced, you will continue to see greed, avarice and the aggressive
behaviors of individuals, whether to invade another country or to usurp the financial rights of stockholders for the gain
of the individual.
In the equation of an evolved society, an evolved society sees no difference
in the actions of the individual who squanders or misuses the finances of companies as their own ego pursuits, compared to
an individual who walks into a theater and kills several individuals. It is a matter of withholding, withdrawing
or destroying social assets of individuals, of society. When an individual takes insider action or takes money
through malfeasance or through embezzlement, they have taken the resources away from other individuals to improve the quality
of their life and the capacity to grow. In an evolved society, this behavior is not seen any differently than those
individuals who maliciously strike another individual with a car, for instance, in an attempted murder and to destroy their
life. They are left incapable and incompetent to improve the quality of their life and grow. Your society
has much to do; much work to do. There seems to be a great lack of consciousness among many leaders in your world,
in your nation and other nations, whether they are political, economic, academic, religious, or social. What is
missing from your society is a holistic integrating set of concepts and methodology to bring about homogeneity, holism and
integrity in your society across the board, from politics to economics to education and even to religion.
The universality of the three core values
MMc: Yes, we have a long way to go. I’m
still searching for that elusive way to explain to others how these core values might be universal. I haven’t
quite heard you say the magic words yet to explain it to me. I’m not trying to put words in your mouth, but
I am trying to get you to give me a capsule summary of that.
MONJORONSON: I would be glad to.
MMc: I wonder if I might ask you a few more questions and
we’ll come back to that original question in a moment.
Have the three core values, as a group, been mainly involved in our success
as a species? You have already told us that yes, the first two have. The third will become involved
in our success as a species, but it hasn’t been utilized very much so far. Am I correct in that assumption?
MONJORONSON: Yes, the first two values have assisted your
species to grow and to sustain itself, not only to survive or to exist, but to sustain itself which means to grow and improve
its quality of life as physical beings, as quantities. However, the last value, that of equality, is the one that
must be invoked in your societies for your species to grow socially. Do you see the difference?
Equality and competition
MMc: Yes, I do, very much so. What do you think
of the concept that equality fosters competition, or vice versa?
MONJORONSON: Oh, certainly it does. It is good
to have competition, but competition eventually becomes obsolete, it becomes archaic and it in fact, becomes antithetical
to the social evolution of a society. There is a necessary use for competition and that is for there to be evolution,
for a continual evolving of the quality of life that is available to individuals and to societies, and to their capacity to
grow. There is a competition, which you are seeing in your universities, where individuals go to a university
to grow with the hope of improving the quality of their life, whether that is for the purpose of their life, or to find deeper
meaning, or simply to have a life of ease. These two values are highly important and they give rise to competition. However,
when a society becomes far more aware of the value of equality as an asset, which directly contributes to the societies and
the social evolution and social sustainability of societies, then competition becomes less important, it becomes a devolutionary
influence, which has a devolutionary effect upon the establishment and maintenance of social sustainability.
The primitive way of seeing equality in a competitive society is that yes,
we were equal as individuals, but I want to “get mine while I can, and before you get it from me.” Whereas
in an evolving society that is moving towards social stability and social sustainability, individuals realize that their quality
of life cannot be improved until the quality of life of others are improved. You see this tremendous difference
between the rich and the poor in the ghettos and the upscale subdivisions, the gated communities. This is
an egregious example of the inequality of value of individuals, and of course because of that, the gated communities exist
and are not safe, because those who do not have, want to have, even if that means to acquire the goods illegally from the
homes and accounts of those who have all these goods and money. Do you have other questions concerning this?
Defending the universality of the 3 core
values
MMc: Yes, I’d like to ask you the core question at
this point in time. These three core values offer us hope for the future. Your claim that they are universal
is not lost on me, however, how would you suggest we introduce these claims to others?
MONJORONSON: You are still too nebulous in your question. Do
you mean by radio? by television? by the Internet? do you mean by books? do you mean by pamphlets? standing on a street corner
and hollering out the three core values? What do you mean, sir?
MMc: Well, if I were to introduce this by a book, say, in
written form—or in oral form—I would put it into some kind of context that explains the universality of
these core values as they apply to our past, our present, our future, what they might be able to do in our future, or what
they might have done in our past, or in our present. How would you… what would be that conceptual piece that
you would try to introduce to others?
MONJORONSON: Try again. What is the end result
that you are trying to achieve by introducing this to other people?
MMc: I’m trying to get them to “get it,”
to understand that these three core values, working together are what you say they are, a universal set of values that apply
to everyone. Just by saying that, there’s no evidence for that. I’m looking for the evidence
that supports the claim that these three values are universal.
MONJORONSON: And they are self-evident.
MMc: Yes, but they are self-evident to me and to you; are
they self evident to everyone?
MONJORONSON: Yes, they are. You just need to
point them out to individuals. Why was your Declaration of Independence so successful? What are the
words there? We could not say this more succinctly: “We hold these truths to be self-evident….” So,
these three core values are self-evident. If they were not universal, if they were not innate to your species,
your species would not be here now. (MMc: Agreed.) This is self-evident. Further,
the other part of the argument is that if any one of these values is missing from a society, that society will succumb. Your
species has evolved principally because of using the first two core values. It will not evolve, it will not survive,
it will not grow and develop fully into its next social evolutionary state until equality is taken into account. This
last value is what will grow your societies into societies that form the days of light and life. Do you see that? (MMc: Yes,
I do understand that.)
Christ Michael’s foresightedness
to invoke the Correcting Time
The first two values got your species to where you are now, but your species
will not grow further without invoking the concepts and methodologies of applying equality to its laws, to its social policies
and to its culture, so that eventually, this equality value is ingrained, enculturated into the very assumptions of individuals
as they grow older. It is so foreign to you at this point, that you cannot even grasp such a society. But
because of Christ Michael’s fortitude and foresightedness, he understands that now is the pregnant time in the evolution
of your species to invoke this Correcting Time and this work into your world now, because when it soon comes into its destruction,
it will have these concepts readily at hand to rebuild itself into sustainable societies, upon which equality must be appreciated
for its total weight as being involved as an equal partner with the other two values.
MMc: All three must be present in order for us to go forward….
MONJORONSON: And they must be appreciated equally and invoked
equally.
Why are these core values not involved
in our current society?
We look forward to responses from your audience about this, as we have waited
this long to disclose this material to your curious minds. We appreciate your moderation, your capacity to grasp
this juxtaposition of these three values and wonder about why they are not equally involved in your current society. Your
discussion here will be a discussion that will be repeated hundreds of thousands of times in classrooms around the world in
all cultures, in all nations, in all languages in future decades. This will become the grist of the academic mill,
to grind out the development of higher consciousness and evolved societies. Through those individuals who totally
understand the equal value of all these three values and begin to impose them and integrate them in the operation of their
organizations.
MMc: Roxanne, do you have any questions this morning?
Roxie: Yes, I have a couple.
Our current citizens want society to take
more responsibility but without cost
Monjoronson, when you were talking about societies’ responsibilities
in regard to the individual rights they have granted, in our society, we already have a huge problem right now in that individuals
expect more out of society than they are willing to pay for in terms of taxation. Everybody wants to alleviate
their own responsibility and get society to take over, but without any cost to them in their taxes. Would you discuss
this, please?
MONJORONSON: Yes, certainly. Once again, you
have to realize that these responsibilities and obligations of society cannot be fully exercised or take place until there
is a diminished population. There are too many individuals to truly serve them equally, and to give them equal
value to improve their lives significantly. Further, all these factors are tied together with the notion and the
concept of equality, the equal value of each individual as an asset of society that can make contributions. Your
question involves the over-emphasis of the first two values by individuals in your society. Individuals want to
improve the quality of their lives and to grow, even if it means at the expense of other people. And so, many people
have done this. There is a failure to recognize that there are individuals who live in the ghettos, who are incredibly
intelligent, incredibly capable of being cultural leaders in their nation and the world, if they are given the opportunity
and valued equally as other children and other individuals.
The selfishness of your societies is a long-standing facet of its necessity
to survive and to maintain its existence. These are genetically programmed into your being, and there are individuals
who are more aggressive than others to acquire what they want to improve the quality of their lives and to grow. Many
people equate these two factors in terms of materiality. However, you have also met individuals who have lived
as ascetics who live very simply, but who are tremendously evolved, are adequately satisfied with the humble nature of their
physical support system, whether it is a home, automobile or clothes, and that they are at peace and evince a tremendous happiness
and joy in living, even without the accouterments of materiality that others seek to have.
There is much missing in your society. This question that you raise
will not be answered for approximately a century, until the world’s population comes into balance, until your societies
are so diminished in population as they come to value each individual as an asset who can contribute to the sustainability
of everyone. These ideas, these concepts must be emplaced, plus a methodology of people actually sitting down with
paper and writing out treatises and thoughts and concepts into policies and procedures that recognize the equal value of individuals. Until
then, you will see what your question seeks to answer—the problems that are endemic to your societies at this time in
their evolution. You are seeing, as an evolved individual, what could be, and you look about you and you see what
exists in your societies and you are amazed and left questioning this reality with the concepts that we have presented to
you. Your question is very natural and it will be answered in time.
Softening of the border between Mexico
and the United States
Roxie: Thank you. Last time, Charles mentioned
that there is far more good to be achieved by integrating and softening the borders between nations in South America. Would
you please speak to this concept between the border of North America and Mexico? Would the ethnic and sovereign
distinctiveness cause the same hindrances that the European nations are experiencing, or different ones?
MONJORONSON: Your question is very specific to your United
States and to Mexico at this time in their mutual history. There is a tremendous amount of separation that has
come about over time. There are large portions of the United States which once belonged to Mexico and which were
taken away from Mexico by force and violence, and eventually by treaty. This presents a history; there has been
an historic process of holding the Mexican nation and its population at an arm’s distance from North America. This
has caused a tremendous difference between the two nations economically, educationally and culturally.
There is a means that can be used between these two nations that can soften
this border. There are some things which will not be abridged, abided by or accepted by either one, and that is
the ease of population movement between the nations. When we speak of the differences between Bolivia and Uruguay,
there are very few except for the borders. The greatest fear of most nations is that there will be influx of population
from the lesser nation and most nations think that every other nation is less than themselves; therefore, they are concerned
about the migration/emigration of other nationals into their country. The softening of borders begins far earlier
than that in much more amenable ways, and that is through trade and economics.
There must be a means by which people can travel easily between nations as
workers, as you have seen in Europe, but that these [workers] would be easily identified and documentable and legitimate. When
this natural traffic of individuals is not legitimatized, then they will do it through illegal means, which then complicates
the whole process. There are some efforts by your nation to recognize these individuals who have come to the United
States and lived here, to recognize them now as citizens. This still does not remove the problem that will re-emerge
later on, unless the original problems were dissolved and that is to have legitimate means by which individuals can travel
legitimately from Mexico to the United States and work here, through a documented, legitimate process, one that is highly
visible and transparent and obvious to everyone.
There are certain economic truths and processes that make this possible. There
is the need and necessity of workers who are willing to work for less than standard wage earners, who will come here. And,
when those jobs disappear, then they will return home, as you have seen in the last five years. There has been
an ebb and flow of immigrants from Mexico to the United States legally and illegally due to the economic nature of the United
States itself. When this becomes highly visible and documentable, legitimate and transparent to everyone, then
you will see that there is more acceptance of this process. Further, the attempts to allow the ease and flow of
goods and services between nations is a natural process of helping the whole continent evolve. If in South America
there were to be a documentable process by which workers could travel easily from one country to another, of course with certain
limitations, as documented and legitimate and transparent, it would help the whole continent improve economically and assist
in the needs for workers where they are needed and the ease of flow to do so.
You see, the difficulty in North America of that happening because millions
of individuals who were workers were encouraged to buy houses, and once they bought houses, then they were obligated to stay
with that house and they had difficulty traveling to other states to go to work, even though there was work available there
for them. The nature of your question is deep and complex, yet very simple in some operations and that is to give
acceptance to the natural inclinations of individuals to improve the quality of their lives, and then to make that documentable
and legitimate. People do want to improve the quality of their lives, and they do want to grow. If they
are Mexican and want to go to the University of San Diego, they should have the opportunity to do so as they are capable of
doing legitimately. If they want to work in a restaurant in El Cajon, California, they could do so without having
to cross the desert and put their life in jeopardy by coming across the border illegally. There is a need for them
here as there is a need for experienced Americans abroad as well. I have spoken in quite a breadth considering
your question; I hope I have answered it.
Understanding the problems of the drug
trade
Roxie: Yes, that was very understandable. How
does the drug trade fit into this picture?
MONJORONSON: One moment. The roots of the drug
problem and drug trade you see in the world, and we see it as a world, global problem, rather than just a United States problem. It
is one whose roots are very deep in the cultures where they are received or bought and used. For one, you have
seen a continued increase in the use of drugs in quantities and in numbers of people who use and abuse those drugs. You
would find this in keeping with the decline of achieving a meaningful and contributing life for individuals. You
see drug use in the wealthy, as well as in the very poor.
Individuals need a purposeful and meaningful
life
This question has been answered several years ago, either by myself or one
of my associates in the past. It continues to be the same and that is the individuals need to have a purpose and
have a meaningful life and a way that contributes to their development as an individual and as a spiritual entity. If
this is missing, and if they have frustrating lives, which is common in a society as you see in Western nations, then there
will be an increase in drug use to escape the realities around them. Not everyone, however, has taken to the use
of drugs and become addicted out of a lack of finding meaning in their lives. Others are escapists. They
have not been taught to help themselves grow, that they are their best asset to themselves to improve the quality of their
life.
Parents are responsible for teaching a
life with meaning and purpose
This begins early in life; the education of the procreative couple, along
the continuum of social sustainability, which we have explained in the past, and which needs to be on the minds of most people,
that the parents are responsible for assisting their children in understanding how to achieve a purposeful life with meaning,
and how they are responsible to themselves to insure that they are contributors to their life and to their own family and
to their society. What is missing from this larger equation, also, are the responsibilities and obligations of
your society to insure that individuals are well prepared for adulthood, or even for adolescence, and the difficulties which
will arise with them, with those age groups. Your society, particularly the American society is bereft of instructing
children in the ethical and moral responsibilities of growing themselves into sustainable individuals. There is
the willingness on the part of parents and adults and your society to sweep these problems under the rug and ignore them,
yet, premature pregnancies, early drug addictions, hostility, anger, bullying and so on are evidence of a society that has
forgotten its children.
Roxie: Thank you very much, Monjoronson. That’s
all the questions that I have.
MONJORONSON: Let us bring this session to a close, and if
you or Michael have questions related to this, we wish you to bring them to the table next time.
MMc: Thank you very much, Monjoronson.
This forum to discuss Planetary Management
MONJORONSON: We do not have many forums as this in which
to discuss Planetary Management, and this is truly what these sessions are all about. They are to instruct you
in how to think as planetary managers, that you are responsible for your personal life, your family life, and partially for
your community, and that you are responsible in part for the management of your planet as concerns your realm of responsibilities. This
is truly missing from your cultures, from your national strategies and from your corporate strategies. This is
something that we wish to continue and we thank you for attending to these responsibilities in this forum as you do. We
wish you a good day and look forward to our return. Good day.
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