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Conversations with Monjoronson – Healthcare – Nov.
18, 2011
Teacher: Monjoronson
Topics:
The new phase of our work is developmental
Healthcare is the major topic today
Who is responsible for healthcare?
Who is responsible for the cost of healthcare?
There is a time for death
Extreme individualism
A change from profit motive to service motive
Healthcare as a supportive element of societal sustainability
Healthcare designed by co-creative design teams
Looking at alternative forms of medicine
The growing trend of fundamentalism
Evolution, not revolution
A change from quantitative to qualitative life
Astral travel
TR:
Daniel Raphael
Moderator: Michael McCray, M.D. (MMc)
November
18, 2011
Invocation: Heavenly Father, our Creator, we rest in your bosom, your lap, in consciousness and with love. Though you
are always here it is for us to accept you, to drink you in, to become one with you, your presence is ever here with us. We are so
grateful for that. We
share this peace in love with others, as your Son gave as example. We are grateful! Amen
MMc: Good morning, Monjoronson. Welcome.
MONJORONSON: Good morning.
MMc: Would you like to say anything to our audience or to us before we
begin?
The new
phase of our work is developmental
MONJORONSON: Yes. Our efforts are steady and sure. The faltering that you perceive is truly
just your own questioning about how we are proceeding. We have entered into a new phase of our work and it is no longer exploratory, but
it is developmental, and we have invoked some developments that will bring about evolutionary changes in your world and in
your societies. You
will see evidence of this in your media—not as anything spiritual, of course—but as the questioning of the reality
that is around you, of the social conscience that is evident of a change of attitude. This will be slow, but it will be progressive and
we will be guiding those individuals who will be key to these developments. The Most Highs are also involved in this directly with
the groups and organizations that mankind has established around the world in their societies, their governments, companies,
organizations and so on.
Be at peace, my friends, be at peace. We are here,
God is here, Christ Michael’s presence is here, the Mother Spirit’s presence is here and we are, at one time,
putting a nice warm blanket of comfort upon your world, and at the same time, urging you to wake up. This is not a juxtaposition of
our intention, but it is to calm your fears and urge you into rational, loving, spiritual action.
MMc: Thank you. So we are seeing things in the news that seem to indicate that the
world is changing, at least in its basic philosophies about war and dictators and who should be in charge. You say that is the developmental
path that you are taking at this time?
MONJORONSON: It is not so much about dictators and administrations; it has to
do more with the cultural aspect that under-girds every society. It is the culture that must change. We hope you keep in mind that we are
doing our utmost to avoid political revolution and destruction in advanced democracies and societies, that there must be a
rational way forward. Revolution
and war is archaic and is destructive to the best, to all elements, in a society. This would be a regression of tremendous scale to
occur in your world, and we are doing the utmost to avoid that. Rather than working with individuals and leadership groups, which is the
venue of the Most Highs, we, on the other hand, are working with cultural influences that under-gird all of your societies,
the major portions of your populations, that the attitude and opinions of the masses is important, and that they truly are
empowered and will be even more so in the future.
Healthcare
is the major topic today
MMc: The topic we picked for today is “healthcare.” Sometime during the last century,
healthcare became a business here in the United States. Today in America it is a 2.6 trillion dollar a year business and everyone wants
their piece of the profit in this. Like any business, next year they want to make more money than they made this year. We, the people, who must use
healthcare, are expected to pay for this one way or another. So it is not surprising that in the United States the number one
cause of bankruptcy is medical debt. The healthcare system in America is terribly broken; it is very expensive, it has tremendous inequities,
and unless it gets a complete overhaul, it is only going to get worse. Like many of our institutions, the healthcare system is unsustainable. Current attempts
to fix it are ineffectual. In our perspective as humans, these problems are serious, seemingly insurmountable. It is clear, at least to me,
that we don’t really know how to fix it. I am hoping that you will share your perspectives with the rest of us.
Looking around our world for solutions, there
are several other healthcare models. None of these are attractive to our population or our government. We are aware of The Urantia Book Paper, “Government on a
Neighboring Planet.” In that Paper, it appears that industry had some concern in health matters, but mainly the cost of healthcare
was left up to the families—the government did not get involved. But if I remember correctly, that government did a much better job
than our own, in training people and keeping them employed, and I suspect their healthcare was much more regulated by government
than our own.
The first question is: Considering the number of people
who are out of work, or already on welfare, how do we transition to a situation where all individuals are responsible for
their own healthcare?
Who is
responsible for healthcare?
MONJORONSON: Everyone now is responsible for their own healthcare—that does
not change over time, or with any governmental policies or programs. What you are asking [for] is, equitable healthcare for everyone. Am I wrong?
MMc: No, you are not wrong, but it is the cost of this healthcare that
is borne by the individual and….
Who is
responsible for the cost of healthcare?
MONJORONSON: Your focus is on the wrong elements. The cost is not the business of the
individual; you are principally dealing with an immoral service to the public. You remember, many decades ago where there was a
charge for using public toilets, and that you were prevented from using public toilets if you did not have the money to pay
for it, but your bodily functions were still going to function. It is as immoral to charge—make profit—on medical services. Everyone
has a body, everyone has health issues—positive and negative—and these cannot be stopped. That industry, typical in this
country, the United States, is immoral; it is founded upon the business principle of profiting from the illnesses of individuals’
bodies. This
is completely unsustainable and immoral. The ethics of it are horrendous and destructive to individuals, and sets an immoral model
for legitimate business.
The underlying assumption of healthcare is
that it is a business. It
is not a business! It
is a “right” to have healthcare. If you fall out of an apple tree and break your arm, you will need to have it set and
go upon your way. The
American model of healthcare is inherently pernicious, destructive and victimizing. It victimizes everyone if you have a body, and of
course, everyone has one, so you are all victimized. The wealthy are victimized and so are the poor. This paradigm of medical care must change. This change
will occur in the coming decade in your nation, along with many other public concerns. It is one where there will be a tremendous revolution. You will
eventually see the destruction of hospitals in your media. This will be most unfortunate, as it will limit healthcare even further.
There is
a time for death
There is a second issue concerning life in
your nation, and that is [that] death is the anathema of everything, yet death for those who are in serious physical trauma
is a wonderful, loving, caring exit. There is a time for death and there is not a time for death. When you have lived a full life and you are now physically
debilitated, mentally debilitated, death is a wonderful option. Those who are in agony need an exit besides a continuous morphine
drip. This
must change, it will change and it will change because it will be abhorred, loathed and in contempt by the majority of the
masses who are without healthcare.
Extreme
individualism
There is a further aspect that is cultural
and peculiar to this nation, and that is the extreme individualism that is rampant in your society. We have spoken of this before,
where individuals have far too much independence and aloofness from their society. This engenders tremendous egoism on the part of the
individual so that they are [the] primary, primo individual, who must come first in all things and that they cannot succumb
to death as do the masses, but [in] that eventuality, it comes for everyone. This is a cultural trait as well, for your nation,
and this too must change. There must come about the integration of the individual as unique in a family, dependent upon the family
and the family is dependent upon the individual. This is a family dynamic which needs to be developed in your nation.
In many ways, your nation is highly broken
socially, and is on the verge of internal collapse. There are many exceptions to this in your nation, and they are very evident, where
you see happy, healthy families and content individuals within the family dynamic. There are structures for teaching this to families;
it is very progressive, it is generational and must not succumb to the vagaries of budgets, but must become a part of the
education of your social structure, down to the individual so that social sustainability becomes possible. You have opened up quite a “can
of worms” with your question concerning the healthcare system. It is broken; it is corrupt; it is immoral and must change.
MMc: Thank you. Most of my questions today have to do with how broken it is and hoping
that you might see some way that we can go about correcting it in an incremental manner, but to hear you talk, it seems like
what we need to do is actually scrap the system and rebuild it from the ground up. Am I correct in that assumption?
A change
from profit motive to service motive
MONJORONSON: That is exactly right. It needs to be changed from a profit motive to a
service motive, and that the profits not be owned by a corporation, but as a quasi-national healthcare organization that is
also not governmental. It
is important that this not become a governmental function, but that simply new laws be devised that bring about the development
of non-profit health organizations. The distribution of profits in the form of dividends is not much different than many illegal activities. This is “blood
money” at it’s worst, in the form of healthy, helpful healthcare. Many healthcare stockholders are not aware of this
immoral activity. It
must be moved in the general public’s mind, that this model is unsustainable, further it is immoral, and needs to be
organized in a way that is not in the hands of corporations who can manipulate legislators and congress through powerful lobbies,
money and influence—and that is another topic as well.
Healthcare
as a supportive element of societal sustainability
You see, you must begin to think of healthcare
as a supportive element of societal sustainability, not short term, but in the long term of 50 years, a hundred years, 250,
500 years. How
does healthcare fit into this picture? You would need to project or devise a vision for healthcare 500 years from now, and use the schematic
of sustainability to begin designing that state. And then of course, you would need sociologists, economists and cultural anthropologists
to help you stage the incremental developments that would lead to it, and stepping it back to the current time. This is how you devise and design
sustainable healthcare. What
would healthcare look like 500 years from now? Would there only be one healthcare corporation that would hostage ill people, sick
people, injured people, for their life savings, their life’s income for their healing? Certainly not, as there would be “blood
in the streets” because of that position, wouldn’t there? No, it must be something different. What you are seeing here in this nation
through its healthcare system, is the development of a healthcare process, service, that can be revised through a new modality
of sustainability in healthcare. Similarly as education, there is no need to build different hospitals or schools; it is simply that you
have different activities go on within those areas. Healthcare and education are very similarly dysfunctional and irrational at some
degree, in your nation and need to be radically revised.
Healthcare
designed by co-creative design teams
MMc: I am not aware of any co-creative design teams that have worked on
healthcare at this time. (Monjoronson: Unfortunately!) Yes. But I believe that one of the values necessary for sustainability would be quality of
healthcare for everyone.
MONJORONSON: This is one of the standards that must be established in your design. You, as well,
must be able to make the moral decisions about who dies and who does not die. You think this is immoral, but it is a highly moral
topic that must be designed into the topic of sustainability. When you realize that 70% of all healthcare costs are incurred in
the last two weeks of life of patients, then you realize that this money really simply goes into the grave, does it not?
MMc: Yes, it does.
MONJORONSON: My friend, I would urge you to begin to work for the development
of a design team for healthcare, and I leave it at that. You could begin at the global level; you could begin at the local level, and you
eventually will have those two ends meet, but it must be done by someone who has an interest in the medical field, who understands
the rather simple process of co-creative design team work. Your side—your mortal side—is not short of any support from us to begin
this process; it is something that we have been urging you to do for many years now. You have asked the question, so I put the challenge to
you, is there anyone willing to work on this in a face-to-face manner? We again urge you to work in team settings, as the dynamic of face-to-face
work is extremely important to your spiritual development as individuals, as a team, and as a growing consciousness. Telephone
and television/computer conferences are helpful for coordinating information, but the product from the development of a united
consciousness is far lacking.
