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Conversations with Monjoronson #32 –
Straight Talk – Nov. 4, 2011 (Partial transcript)
Teacher: Monjoronson
Topics:
Straight talk discussions
Second Revelatory Commission
The extension of mortal life spans
The assignment of third circlers
Has the Magisterial Mission ever been delayed?
Is Monjoronson the temporary Ruler of Urantia?
Did Urantia suffer more than the other planets in rebellion?
Did the Nazis work with Caligastia and Lucifer?
Changing of the human genome
Validation of the spirits in the borderland
Further confusion on the grids
The reasons for seeking these clarifications
The lost sheep
What keeps the cleaned grid from being re-infected?
What is our current universe age?
The destiny of the Corps of Finality
Closing statement – focus on the light, not the darkness
TR:
Daniel
Raphael
Moderator: Michael McCray
November
4, 2011
Prayer: Heavenly Father, we thank you for another beautiful day on Urantia, another day to work
on our soul growth and to learn more about your Creation. We ask for Christ Michael and Nebadonia’s presence to enfold us in their light,
as we humbly seek communion with Monjoronson. Amen.
MMc: Monjoronson?
MONJORONSON: Good Morning.
MMc: Good morning and welcome! How are you today, Monjoronson?
MONJORONSON: I am very good, thank you; there’s never a morning
in Paradise, and never a Monday. It’s always Friday, as you would think.
MMc: Very interesting. Is there anything that you would like to say before we
get started today?
Straight
talk discussions
MONJORONSON: Yes, there is. There is one of gratitude and appreciation for having the openness
to speak to ‘adults,’ to have these ‘straight talk’ discussions, as we have had. Not having to hold our breath
or guard our words, or the tenderness of young minds and young faith experiences. This allows us to be authentic, genuine and forthright
and totally revealing. As
with discussions with your children about sensitive issues, we reveal what you need to know at this time, and when you have
a greater awareness of more potential to accept new answers, we will reveal new material to you. Thank you.
MMc: I believe that Charles contacted Daniel last weekend with the request that we
prepare questions that we felt would clear up any misinformation and misconceptions that have come up while you were ‘off
line’ with these special sessions. There has been a very positive response to your “straight talk” and your wish
to clear up these misconceptions without creating controversy. I believe that I can speak for Daniel and Roxanne when I say we are
in complete agreement with this policy.
Roxanne and I have looked through various transcripts
and generated questions based upon what we have read and the questions these transcripts generated in the various venues to
which we belong. These
transcripts in part are in conflict with The Urantia Book and/or other transcripts that have already caused some controversy and confusion.
We hope that you will be able to clarify some
of these issues. And,
as always, we will respect your wishes as to when these issues can be shared with the general public, if they are of a sensitive
nature.
MONJORONSON: That is wonderful. Thank you.
MMc: I realize today that I have already asked you some questions about
some of today’s material, but as you know, humans sometimes need to hear the answers to certain questions several times
before they will believe the answer, so I am asking you to indulge us, please.
MONJORONSON: We do, on an ongoing basis.
Are there
planetary broadcasts now on Urantia?
MMc: Are there planetary broadcasts now being received on Urantia?
MONJORONSON: Planetary broadcasts are transmitted from Paradise and Havona to
all of the universe. These
are received on Urantia, much as water passes through a fishing net; those who can ‘hear’, hear; those who cannot,
do not.
Second
Revelatory Commission
MMc: I see. Thank you. I’ve seen several conflicting reports concerning the Second
Revelatory Commission and their plan to issue another book, similar to The Urantia Book. Is there a book currently in preparation?
MONJORONSON: There is not a book, however there is a Second Revelatory Commission
that is now seated and has begun its work. There is much to do and this book may not be revealed for centuries. It is a book of great knowledge
and awareness and revealing to those who are preparing to enter the days of light and life. There is more than sufficient material
between The Urantia
Book, and the revelations that have come through in the Correcting Time and Teaching Mission and Magisterial Mission
and other sources, to provide enough work for mortals on Urantia for the next several centuries.
The extension
of mortal life spans
MMc: Is there a plan in place to extend the lives of humans, for a significant
period, say 50-100 years, so that they may help in the Correcting Time and the Magisterial Mission?
MONJORONSON: Yes, there is, and no, there is not. These decisions have already been made, when individuals
were approached early on in the mission, to select individuals who had natural longevity. There were some who will pass more rapidly,
and their positions are necessary for completing their work for others’ works to continue. There is no selection for “special”
individuals, whose lives will be lengthened. We strive, and we continue to tell you, we strive not to put a stamp of “special-ness”
on any one individual who participates with us. It is a matter of personal selection whether you choose to participate or not. We have awareness
in advance, [of] who will and who will not, who is capable and who is not, who is long-lived and who is not. These are all well known to your
Thought Adjusters; your records of your life preceding your coming into existence, [was] well [known] before you ever arrived. Those records
are kept on Divinington. Some of these aspects are shared by midwayers, who are working with us on Urantia with mortals.
MMc: As I understand what you are telling me, no one’s life is going
to be artificially prolonged beyond say, 100 years or so?
MONJORONSON: That is correct.
The assignment
of third circlers
MMc: We’ve been told that upon your arrival in the flesh, you will
“assign all mortals above the level of the third psychic circle to your personal command, in order to coordinate the
cleansing of Urantia and the aforementioned circuits.” Is this a correct statement?
MONJORONSON: It is not my will to ‘command’ anyone above the level
of the third circle, to my personal staff or my personal control. This too, is a matter of intention and commitment of each individual
to participate in this work. The journey is to become a part of this, to listen and to hear, and to open yourself to direction and
guidance from your Thought Adjuster. We see ‘this assignment’ or ‘that activity’ as supporting that development of
spiritual growth within yourself, to live in accord with the Father’s directions, which come from within you. [If] you would, in participating
in that with your Thought Adjuster, wish to participate in service with us, that is your choice.
Has the
Magisterial Mission ever been delayed?
MMc: Has the Magisterial Mission been delayed at any time? Once or several times?
MONJORONSON: No, it has not. The confusion of your thoughts about time and arrival,
and coming or not arriving, or planning and not arriving, 2 or 3 times is not in our agenda. These things are seen as a continuum
of development, which are only halted or slowed by the interference of humans and negativity on your planet. We have not said that we would
arrive and then withdraw. The intention of Christ Michael was to bring this Mission here, as shortly to follow the development
and advent of the Teaching Mission. A proclamation of God’s Will in the lives of individuals who choose to be open, is part and parcel
of this.
The Magisterial Mission is much more a team
effort, by the union of those people who [are] evolved in their spirituality—if they choose to. One needs to precede the other;
there needs to be those spiritually infused and enthused individuals, to participate in the work that we are doing. The primary work of the Teaching Mission
is to prepare individuals for greater expansion and service. If they choose to participate in the Magisterial Mission, that is
their choice. If
they choose not to, there is nothing held against them—it is simply a matter of choice for one’s course in life. We thoroughly
respect that. Once
your decisions are made, they are inviolate to us. Should you change your mind, you would be welcomed with open arms to participate
in our work with us
MMc: Who is/are the administrative heads of the Correcting Time for Urantia?
MONJORONSON: That would be Christ Michael.
Is Monjoronson
the temporary Ruler of Urantia?
MMc: So you are now, temporary Ruler of Urantia?
MONJORONSON: No, I am not.
Did Urantia
suffer more than the other planets in rebellion?
MMc: We’ve been told that Urantia suffered considerably more, due
to the Rebellion than the other 36 worlds that were involved. Is this true?
MONJORONSON: That would depend on how it is measured. Various measurements for damage
to a world: Is
there more damage if one world has more population than another? Or is it damaged more by the deep wounds that are received by the
individuals of that planet, even if it has smaller population? This question is ill-formed and must become much more sophisticated
in its requirements for a definitive answer. As given, there is no definitive answer to that question.
MMc: Can you tell me how much the negativity, the anxiety, confusion,
hatred and war was planned and programmed to persist by Caligastia and Lucifer, and how much persisted simply because we were
cut off from the positive aspects and influences of the rest of the universe?
MONJORONSON: Not relevant.
MMc: We have been told that a significant number of low-level celestials
that were loyal to Lucifer and Caligastia simply did not respond to the orders of those of the light and this resulted in
delays and confusion. Is
this correct?
MONJORONSON: What you must be concerned about is that your world has been cleared
of those who have acted in traitorous manners. The history of this is not relevant to our current situation on Urantia.
Did the
Nazis work with Caligastia and Lucifer?
MMc: Did the Nazis, Hitler and his henchmen, work hand in hand with Caligastia
and Lucifer?
MONJORONSON: From your answer, yes.
MMc: Were all of the horrific plans to enhance the Nazi idea of genocide
hatched first in the mind of Caligastia?
MONJORONSON: These are remnants in the thinking of many on your world, who have
sought to aggrandize their own ego and the expression of that in their world. These thoughts are remnants of that nefarious plan.
Changing of the human genome
MMc: Thank you. Was Lucifer able to change the human genome to create humans who
were more amenable to his beliefs?
MONJORONSON: Yes.
MMc: Was this change in the human genome a conscious effort on Lucifer’s
part or was it a consequence of DNA’s ability to adapt and evolve?
MONJORONSON: Yes and yes.
Validation
of the spirits in the borderland
MMc: There are still many who cannot bring themselves into belief about
those individuals caught in the borderland, as there is absolutely nothing in The Urantia Book to suggest such a thing. Some readers even attribute the
concept as having come to the first TR through a TV episode of a similar nature. Can you clarify how this concept came into being
and any other means of validation that can be used for those who have no direct experience with ‘ghosts’ or borderland
spirits?
MONJORONSON: Simplify, please.
MMc: What kind of validation do we have that there are borderland spirits?
MONJORONSON: Many human beings have witnessed individuals who have not crossed
over to the celestial realms and who are not sleeping survivors. The aspect of seeing ‘ghosts,’ as you call them, disincarnate
beings, is a real factor of thousands upon thousands of human beings around the world, who have the capacity to see these
individuals. This
has been noted in the history of literature from time immemorial and has been a factor of all cultures throughout the world. There are
individuals who ‘see’ and those who do not ‘see’.
The word “borderland” is not significant;
it represents a word that can be used easily in this culture in contemporary times, to describe the venue, so to speak, of
where these people exist in the vibrational frequency of existence. Mortals have a material vibration; those who are disincarnate beings
have a vibrational level and those who are in the mansion worlds, or who are angelic or are morontial beings have another
vibrational level. Because The Urantia Book does
not mention this, as there is too much fear associated with these beings, there are now individuals who are objective enough
to receive further information as to the existence of disincarnate beings, and yet remain unafraid. They are not in fear. The presence of disincarnate beings
was well known long before The Urantia Book came into existence. The Urantia Book was prepared for individuals to accept a larger realm of the universe, but not
all realms. That
which was held in fear in human cultures, was set apart and was determined not to be appropriate for revelation at this time. There were
papers and revelations that were provided by the Revelatory Commission, which were excised from publication.
MMc: We have been told that Lucifer was able to keep souls here after
death. Was
Lucifer able to keep them here against their will, or did these souls stay on Urantia out of ignorance because they had no
real map of the afterlife?
MONJORONSON: Supply one question at a time, please.
MMc: Was Lucifer able to keep mortals here after their death, against
their will?
MONJORONSON: No.
Further
confusion on the grids
MMc: I find myself confused because the way “the Grid” has
been referred to in recent transcripts. You and I have discussed this and I have come to the conclusion that there is a consciousness
grid or matrix made up of the collective consciousness and unconsciousness of mankind. Yet I find there is reference made in the transcripts to
an Urantia energy grid of morontia energy and other spiritual energies used to maintain the midwayers and other morontia and
spiritual life forms. Does
such an energy grid exist?
MONJORONSON: They are different grids.
[This is Daniel: He’s going to force you to think this through. He’s
not playing cat and mouse, and he’s not being coy. There’s a real intention behind his remoteness.]
MMc: I’m trying to figure out if the next question gets to that
point, or if it takes us off on a different tangent.
In another transcript, we have been told the
worldwide grid also supplies the morontia energy for the [captive souls] to remain on Urantia, those in the borderland. Has this
changed their existence and it is Christ Michael who is to [determine] that they must continue to sustain those life forms
until a decision to live again on the mansion world is received or until some final decision can be made to terminate their
existence here on Urantia? Does this worldwide consciousness grid supply the morontia energy for those in the borderland?
MONJORONSON: No, it does not.
MMc: Does the energy grid that we spoke of earlier supply the energy for
these morontia beings?
MONJORONSON: They each have their own source of energy to support their existence. This is apart
and separate from the grid or collective human consciousness; one acts more as a library, an archive of all human consciousness,
whereas the energy source for morontial beings is completely separate and apart from that.
[Brief pause while Michael and Daniel discussed
moderating techniques.]
MMc: Shall we continue?
The reasons
for seeking these clarifications
MONJORONSON: Yes, this is hard work I know, for all of you. Let us work through this so we
can add clarity to the messages that others receive. We want clarity for all our work; we want continuity, so that all parts are contiguous
and congruent. There
will be times, as we are going through now, in the future, to do this again. As mortals, we ask you to be very patient and tolerant
and to be above all, discerning. Discern what Christ Michael would be doing on your world at this time, were he present and could discuss this
with you, and then you will discern more correctly. Please proceed.
The lost
sheep
MMc: Has Christ Michael declared that none will be lost? Has he declared that all former
mortals of Urantia will go on to the mansion worlds, and from there they can make a decision on whether to accept eternal
survival or not?
MONJORONSON: That is correct.
What keeps
the cleaned grid from being re-infected?
MMc: In answer to a question about the grid, Malvantra said that the grid
feeds off of the degradation, debasing and corrupted behavior from those stuck in lower consciousness. If this is so, will the grid
ever be cleaned? It
seems like there are plenty of [bad] behaviors to keep Lucifer’s old grid well stocked with energy, far into the future.
MONJORONSON: We continue to tell you that this is not a grid energized by evil
behavior or evil decisions, or evil attitudes. The grid is of human consciousness; it is more like an archive that is the repository
of the residue of all human consciousness, positive and negative. The focus upon negative energy and negative beings is not an aspect
that is important to the maintenance or to the cleaning of the grid of the human consciousness. It will take conscious effort of light
by humans and by us to clean the grid, clean the archive of human consciousness. This archive of human consciousness—you call
it the grid—is hundreds of thousands of years old, and as there are more people on your world, it is more capable—we
are more capable—of cleaning the grid in much shorter time than it took to build it that way. And in the future, this grid
of human consciousness will be clear and accessible by every individual for right and perfect intentions. It is accessible by anyone and
has a powerful influence on everyone, whether they are aware of it or not.
MMc: I believe you are charged with “terminating the current planetary
dispensation.” What
does that actually entail?
MONJORONSON: That has been well described to you in your Urantia Book.
MMc: Has it already taken place?
MONJORONSON: Yes.
What is
our current universe age?
MMc: What is the current universe age called?
MONJORONSON: That is not relevant to our discussions.
MMc: I guess the question is actually, in what universal age are we, here
on Urantia? We
aren’t in light and life yet, are we?
MONJORONSON: This world and the other 30-some-odd planets are in an age of recovery
and reconstruction, of healing at the individual level and at the social and global level. You have just come out of quarantine
and you are now into recovery. You are much like a patient who has been under general anesthesia for a long time. Your recovery is one of awakening
consciousness, a realization of who you are, a realization of where you are and your attendant responsibilities to participate
in your own healing. It
is important, as a co-creative learning situation, to empower the age of light and life that is to come.
The destiny
of the Corps of Finality
MMc: Is the destiny of the Universe Corps of Finality to become Creator
sons in the next universe age?
MONJORONSON: That has not been revealed clearly—this is a speculation of
the celestials in the morontial and even spiritual realm. It is something that is even discussed among the Corps of Finality. It is unrevealed, as it is developmental. There is
always the revelation of information as it is needed. This is on a need-to-know basis and it is privy to those Deities on Paradise.
MMc: I see. So the information is strictly speculative at this point?
MONJORONSON: Correct. It may not be in error, however. Speculation is speculation. Its outcome or conclusions may
be correct, but until complete revelation is known, it still remains as speculation and uncertain information.
MMc: Will it really take me something like 200 million years of Urantia
time to become a Finaliter candidate?
MONJORONSON: It may; it may not. Your progress is your own. You may decide to take side trips,
to experience another aspect of yourself along your journey. There are some who take this journey very seriously, and some who
seem to have even gotten lost in their own detours. It is not important how or when you get there, but to have grown from the journey.
MMc: That completes my prepared questions for today. Would you care to add anything
else?
Closing
statement – focus on the light, not the darkness
MONJORONSON: Yes, thank you. When one perceives ahead, inquiring about the negative,
about evil, about those who initiated and then strove to perpetuate evil, it is as though you are going into a very, very
deep cave, with a small flashlight, whose batteries continue to weaken as its use is expired. Soon, you end up deep within the cavern
of darkness and you wonder why you have ever gone there when it serves no purpose in your journey to pursuing the light, to
have examined the negative in the darkness so thoroughly. You do not understand the light by examining the darkness. The light is the source, the
light is the way, it shows the way of your path and your journey.
Focusing your attention and wonderment, amazement
and speculation upon the negative and evil is unproductive, in fact, detrimental to your spiritual progress. You become that which you aspire
to. You
do not aspire to God by examining the evil of others, or the evil that was begun on this planet so many years ago. We exhort all of you, each of
you, all of you together to revel in the light of God, knowing that that source of light is in you and is only as bright as
you let it shine. It
is the light bulb; you are the battery. You will join together to make a bright beacon ahead of yourselves. You must, however, turn on the
switch—that is your decision. If you want to go into the cave of darkness and examine that for a lifetime, that is your choice; no
one will deny you that choice, however, your Thought Adjuster will continue to appeal to you to return to the light, to walk
out of that darkness which you have engaged.
I say the same to you, that only the light
is the way. Christ
Michael was and is your primary model of the correct and perfect beacon on your world; assume his light, assume his model
for a lifetime of service of dedication of growth and awakening of consciousness, to become ‘one’ in that consciousness
with God. We
strive to teach you to be in daily and minute-by-minute communication with your Thought Adjuster, the Source of all light
within you, that which has the ultimate pattern for greatness within you. You must decide to engage that source, choose to do so
and take action, therefore to fulfill that decision. This is what I have to reveal to you today.
I have answered your questions as forthrightly
as I possibly could. Many
of your questions are beyond your comprehension to ask or to have answered to you, with full understanding on your part. You do not
accept that you do not have to be an engineer to build a locomotive to take a train trip from here to Chicago. You simply accept the fact that
you buy your ticket, get on the train and proceed ahead. You choose the destination, you choose to buy the ticket, you do not need to be
a locomotive engineer to build it, or to drive it, to proceed ahead, simply a passenger in God’s great train of ascendant
beings of light, who [will] meet you in Paradise and will embrace you in the Corps of Finality. Thank you.
MMc: Thank you, Monjoronson. Certainly I think for my life, I need to be concentrating
on the positives, rather than the negatives, on the light, rather than the darkness. The darkness still creeps up on those of us who live
on Urantia and does hold some interest, [even] if that interest is only revulsion. Thank you for your indulgence today in answering
these questions. I
know that it has been difficult for you; it has certainly been difficult for me to gather them together. Thank you, again.
MONJORONSON: If you have any questions between now and publication of this transcript,
you are most welcome to enter into another session, an interim session to accomplish the ends that you wish. Thank you.
MMc: Do you foresee a time when we can publish this material?
MONJORONSON: We wish you to publish this when you publish the full sessions of
the prior ones, where there was only partial publication. Let us publish all of these simultaneously, <Clip>
MMc: Thank you, Monjoronson.
MONJORONSON: You are welcome. Are you ready to bring this session to a close?
MMc: I believe so, yes.
[Rather abrupt ending, but Monjoronson had
already given his closing statement.]
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