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Special Session #9 – Death & Dying – Mar. 29, 2010

 

Teacher:     MONJORONSON


TR:              Daniel Raphael

 

Moderator: Vicki Vanderheyden


 

Topics:


The strategic, militaristic mind

The characteristics of the strategic mind

The strategy of mapping a sustainable future

Right-mindedness

“Don’t believe everything you think.”

Emotional intelligence vs. emotionally reacting

The dying process

The saddest deaths of all

Preparation for the approach of death

Assisting in the death process of another

The peaceful death

Giving permission to die

Managing the physical pain of dying

Eastern practices of the death process

The reconciliation of death and dying

Disembodied spirits

Speaking to the spirit

Touch during the dying process

Spiritual chemistry

“Young and old souls” defined


Addendum:


Additional comments on disembodied spirits

Infants and the Thought Adjuster

Infants and the soul



March 29, 2010

 

Vicki:  Dear Father, may this session provide comfort and direction to those who wish to serve their fellow brothers and sisters in a loving way.  We ask that you accept our gratitude for the blessed presence of MONJORONSON, as he assists us in understanding our divine connection in co-creative participation, toward the growth of your grand universe.  May we always be thankful for those unseen helpers who assist in encircuiting us in your Divine Energy, and may those who read these words, do so with a discerning mind and a loving heart.  In your Son, Christ Michael’s, name and through the ministrations of our Mother Spirit, we pray.  Amen

 

The strategic, militaristic mind

 

Vicki:  Good morning, MONJORONSON.  (Good morning.)  Before we begin our topic for today, I’d like to have a follow-up discussion about one of the things we discussed in our last session. 

 

Being somewhat of a peaceful person, I struggled with the militaristic metaphor we discussed last week, regarding the teaching of history.  It was one I could not ignore.  It forced me to look beyond the destructive nature of the militaristic mind, and seek the characteristics of a strategic mind.  And then I could see that when we engage our rightful mind in concert with a strategic mind, that it guides us in the right direction.  Could you speak to this, please?

 

MONJORONSON:  Most certainly.  Let me delve a bit into your thinking, or your estimation of the military mind.  The militarism of your species is organized warfare, and oftentimes it has been a necessity of survival for those tribes and clans and nations to have military leaders.  Do not confuse murder—the act of murder and the intention of murder—with the military mind.  A military mind is the organization of forces for aggression, which is contrary to our teachings, but is supported by defense of individuals to survive.  We wish you to appreciate the necessity in primitive cultures, the presence of war machines, of legions of soldiers to protect the nation and the culture and the ethos of their people.

 

Had there not been those protective forces, your gene pool now would be much diminished and primitive, compared to what you have now.  All the people of intelligence and arts would have long been gone, and you would be a brutal race, even more so than you are.  I say these things for you to appreciate the difference between a murderous behavior in thinking and the necessity of war, of armies and navies to protect the homeland.  In no way do we condone intentional murder, or the intentional invasion of innocent nations and the destruction of cultures.  This is contrary to all the teachings that we provide to your world.  Having said that, yes, there is great necessity to appreciate the strategic importance of the work that I do.  Please refresh me with your question, as this one has lost his way.  (Laughter.)

 

The characteristics of the strategic mind

 

Vicki:  And so has this one!  I guess the conclusion that I’ve come to is that there is much we have to learn about the strategic mind, that is often reflected in our military—the precision, the discipline, the intention—and so… What are the characteristics of one who engages in strategic thought?

 

MONJORONSON:  I would be most happy to answer your question, and another who is even more capable of addressing that is Machiventa, the Planetary Manager of this world.  I provided the military mind, the strategist and tactician to you, not as metaphor, but as a parallel to the necessity of this kind of thinking, for a planetary manager.  It is our wish that each of you—individuals among billions—would begin to assume and take on the mantle within your own small venue of a planetary manager.  Strategic thinking is an important element of the success of the Correcting Time.  We look at the grand scale of your world, the grand scale of implementing these plans for bringing about the healing of your planet, and the implementation of a sustainable world, which lays the groundwork for the days of light and life.  This is all strategic thinking. 

 

The grand strategy of Christ Michael, Machiventa, myself, and the Most Highs, is to bring about an increase of integration, and remove those elements of separation.  The thought, the strategy is to encourage and bring together the elements of light, of integration, of togetherness, that which is sustained, pragmatically that which works.  A world such as yours has so much to overcome, yet we are not fixing those problems, we are creating solutions by bringing about a completely new era of civilized behavior on your world through the Correcting Time. 

 

The lessons that came through the teachers in the Teaching Mission are foundation for a civilized world, a moral and ethical world, where there is social conscious[ness] by individuals to see themselves as part of a larger society, contributing to the peace—sustainable peace—of your world.  Yes, this is very important; we have brought you along slowly so that you could understand and then eventually appreciate this strategic thinking.  You will not understand your place in the scheme of the Correcting Time until you do understand the strategy, or do have the strategic thinking in hand to assist you as you think about how you can contribute to our efforts.

 

The strategy of mapping a sustainable future

 

Vicki:   Thank you, MONJORONSON, and what you are engaging us in when you ask us to become involved in mapping a sustainable future is strategic thinking that is in essence strategic planning.  Is that correct?

 

MONJORONSON:  Most definitely.  The Most Highs operate on the strategic level all the time.  They operate in the “affairs of mankind,” meaning that they operate in the venue of global governments, national governments, of huge planning commissions, and so on.  They work with those individuals who can have an affect upon the outcome of large movements of humanity’s thinking and culture.  The strategist truly who lays out the grand plans for the healing of your world—that was Christ Michael.  Christ Michael simply did not sit in Salvington and say to those below him in the hierarchy, “Heal this”—he simply did not!  He was there with the Most Highs, with those in Uversa, and those in Edentia and Norlatiadek.  He had all of those on board, sharing his thoughts, his plans, his desires, asking for contribution. 

 

The workings of managing a local universe are not much different than a very beneficent administration of a global government or corporation.  It requires coordination, personal contact, joining of minds, seeking those opinions which are differing, and mapping out, as you say, alternatives to a course of action, as the reality in these four dimensions of your world begin to unfold.  In this grand strategy of healing the planets that were in quarantine, particularly in the most difficult planets—this and two others—it requires a nimble manager and tactician to work with events as they unfold.  The human species of Urantia is wildly unpredictable and self-serving, even in the face of logical and rational outcomes, which one would choose.  It would seem that many times leaders and nations of your world would rather shoot themselves in the foot than to say, “yes” to their opposition.  So we have a difficult time moving ahead, as there is so many undercurrents and eddies in the good flow of the working order of administration on your world. 

 

You wonder why sometimes the Teaching Mission / Magisterial Mission and other programs do not move ahead well; you actually feel them shudder to a stop, in that there is a—it’s like sailing ships in the doldrums—you wonder, “Why are we here; why are we not moving ahead?”  You literally “feel” this; many of you are sensitive to this energy, and it is because we must not only change gears, but directions and implement new programs to proceed in the direction we wish.  Oftentimes it is like sailing—you must tack against the wind, you must make some progress forward by going laterally.  So there is much to do on your world. 

 

As administrators, Machiventa, the Melchizedeks, Christ Michael and the Most Highs are learning a tremendous amount.  The experiential wisdom they are gaining from managing these programs is enormous!  This is one thing that is always coming into existence, is new experience and the wisdom derived from that.  These are new to the archives of the universe, and to God the Supreme.  When you traverse through your ascendant career and arrive in Uversa, you will hear much acclaim for the managerial capacity of Christ Michael in his Nebadon Universe for overcoming the difficulties of the rebellion.  I apologize for going so far astray, but I think they relate to what we were speaking about.

 

Right-mindedness

 

Vicki:  Yes, they do, and we appreciate the insight.  One thing it touched upon for me was the piece that you shared with a group of us, in our group prayer, and that is the idea of “right-mindedness”.   In order for us to become effective, co-creative partners in this process, we not only have to engage in strategic thinking and strategic planning, but we have to do it with right-mindedness.  So I’m wondering if maybe you could help us in describing what you mean as “right-mindedness?”

 

MONJORONSON:  Most certainly.  As you can see, we are growing you into the very breadth and depth of your personality, by asking you to think strategically, while as well, at the same time, thinking “rightfully.”  Right thinking is essential in the greatest and grandest developments of the universe.  The ascendant career begins by right thinking, by being conscious of what you are thinking, and then choosing to act on that.  Right thinking is observing your life; it is taking the observer position of your life.  Mortal progress then falls ahead rapidly, when you begin to observe yourself thinking, seeing choices, making decisions and acting on them.  When you are not observing yourself in your thinking, to make those choices, you are simply reacting and oftentimes it is hit or miss, whether your choosing follows along right thinking or not.  You have a much higher probability of moving ahead in your spiritual ascendant career rapidly, when you are the observer of yourself. 

 

This is a hugely important process for bringing your self consciously, intentionally, into the magnificence of your relationship with your Thought Adjuster.  This is essential to your progress.  Fusion will come much more rapidly when you are the observer of yourself; this is right thinking.  Right thinking is seeing the choices, one of which is always includes going against the will of God, but you see this as not a desirable option in your behavior.  You see options as hurting your fellow brothers and sisters, but these options are as well not desirable options.  You see the option of hurting yourself, being selfish, being egoistic, seeing yourself of greater value than other people and acting upon that selfish orientation.  In the right thinking mode, you would see this as an option, which is fully detrimental to your integration with yourself, with your Thought Adjuster, with your fellow brothers and sisters, with your Guardian Angel, with your ascendant plan. 

 

Right thinking is fundamental to spiritual progress.  Right thinking, as well, allows the greatest opportunity for the expansion of your personality, that wonderful, wonderful gift from the Creator that was given to you, that unique identifier that you have and no one else has.  Right thinking identifies this personality very clearly to other people, as one who is whole, one who is integrated, one who is “one” with the “All,” “one” with God, their Creator.  I thank you for that question!  This right thinking is essential for all who wish to do God’s will.

 

“Don’t believe everything you think.”

 

Vicki:  MONJORONSON, a while back, I believe it was you, who said, “Don’t think you are everything you think.”  (I hope I have remembered that correctly.)  And it reminded me of the fact that even though in our mind we may entertain negative thoughts, and just because we think them, it doesn’t mean they are part of us.  We have the option if we are engaging in right-mindedness, to self-correct.  Would you agree with that?

 

MONJORONSON:  Most definitely.  And I believe my quote was, “Don’t believe everything you think.”  It is essential that you weigh your own thinking; it is essential that you see your thinking as a choice, one of many numerous options, for right thinking has a facet, as well, of seeing your mind function as a choice.  You have self-will; you have individual will, which can choose what you think and what you accept into your thinking.  Many people have been taught that when they are going to bed and their mind is busy, that they have the option to tell their mind to stop thinking; it is time to sleep; it is time to be in repose; it is time to be quiet and let the veil of sleep cross over your mind.  And so you can invoke your will in what you think. 

 

Good parents teach their children moral thinking early in their life, when children have violent thoughts, the parent would say, “Tell your mind not to think those thoughts.  It is not part of who you are and who you want to be,” and so you do not accept that kind of thinking from your mind.  The mind truly is an undisciplined faculty of your whole being.  In most people it is vastly unrecognized as trainable.  You are admonished and advised to begin training your mind for right thinking.  This is part of a conscious living, and living with intention, and these are important facets of who you are and who you become.

 

Emotional intelligence vs. emotionally reacting

 

Vicki:  That brings to mind one other point or topic that relates to this and that is emotional intelligence. In the makeup of our material mind, whenever information is received, we first react to it emotionally—it receives an emotional value first—and so if we are not in tune with our emotional intelligence, oftentimes our thoughts stimulate harmful emotions, such as fear and anger, and then that leads us sometimes into poorly planned actions.  Would you agree with this?

 

MONJORONSON:  Most definitely.  The person who lives consciously and who is striving to have right thinking, receives input, whether it is violently given to them with great anger, or with viciousness, they put it into what you would term a “cache memory,” part of their thinking, that they just receive it, and do not hold judgment or reaction to it.  This too, is part of the martial arts mind—I bring this to you not for the violence of martial arts, but for the discipline that martial arts provides to the people who engage in them; it is the way to hold thinking in abeyance, while you analyze the situation.  The martial artist knows that reacting emotionally to something that comes at you is detrimental and that you will spend your energy reacting to it and that your efforts will be wasted, you will be devastated and you will be ruined.  Too many times—and we see this almost with tremendous frequency—with people in interaction, is that they react to the words that are spoken to them, rather than assessing them and discerning them carefully.  All these go together for your peace of mind.  It is essential that you stay balanced, centered and grounded in your thinking, so that you can live effectively, peacefully, integrated with the best elements of your society.

 

The dying process

 

Vicki:  I think this will be tremendously helpful for us, as we put all of these pieces together about strategic thinking and right-mindedness. 

 

I’d like to move on to the topic I had planned for today.  I wish to engage you in a conversation about the “dying process.”  Many of us find a time in our lives when we generally accept death, and often it’s when we’ve grown spiritually to the point where we’ve experienced the presence of God and believe in the afterlife.  Indeed, some of us now can look at death as a “birth” experience.  On the other hand, what many of us still seem to fear is the actual process of dying, or dissolution, due to the physical and emotional pain associated with it.  So that is the focus of my questions on this topic.

 

Much of what we know about dying has been gathered from our physical observations.  From a spiritual standpoint, though, what can you tell us about this process that will inform our care for dying individuals?

 

The saddest deaths of all

 

MONJORONSON:  You bring to the table, a very large subject.  (Laughter.)  I would begin by stating the saddest deaths of all:  And the saddest deaths of all are those where we see the individual dying within, where their spirit, their esprit is dying, is going away.  They can be young; they may be old, but they have given up on life already, and they are hollow shells, automatons going about the business of the routine of daily life, yet on the inside they have no awareness of their thinking—great thinking or wrong thinking—they are simply going about the motions.  These situations are extremely sad, where people lose hope. 

 

We do not understand how it is that people can totally reject the spiritual life, but on the other hand, we can see that it is done actively, it is done in total violation of the God/personal relationship.  There is actually some vitality to that, for when these individuals cross over and are on the mansion worlds, they will see the wrongness of their thinking, and either continue to adhere to that and become part of those who have vanished, as [though] they were never here, and there are those who will see this as an opportunity to begin anew, and do so with the same fervent, energized state of being.  Those of you who have mental aberrations, of depression, of latent psychoses—those with mental aberrations who are unable to manage their thinking—this is most sad; were the angels to cry, they would cry over this for sure. 

 

But you speak about the dissolution of death, and so the next saddest state that I will gauge is the premature passing of one who has so much potential to know God in this lifetime, whether they are in their infancy, their childhood, pre-adolescence, adolescence, early adulthood, adulthood, or the elderly.  It is very sad to see those people with grand minds, who have the capacity to know God intimately, and who do not, who pass prematurely from this acquaintanceship, from acknowledging this wonderful eternal handshake, between God within them, and their own conscious mind.  These lives are not wasted, and do not mourn about that, for there is an avenue for growth that is always granted to those who cross over, who wish to continue.  This truly is a very conscious existential decision that is made by everyone who has a sentient mind, who is invested by God, the Thought Adjuster, or Son Spirit, or the Infinite Spirit. 

 

Preparation for the approach of death

 

The process of dying oftentimes begins long before death, when the person realizes that they are in the waning state of their existence.  And those individuals who are God-centered, who have striven to become integrated in the grand scheme of the universe in their life’s mission, and their infinite ascendant career, prepare for this.  They begin putting their “house in order,” so to speak; they begin putting their thinking in order; they begin preparing the “closing out of the books,” so to speak, in the ledgers of their life.  So the accounts are even, and not to wreak havoc or vengeance upon their former enemies, but forgive them, to see them too as on their ascendant career. 

 

This progressive dissolution of life is one which can then be graded consciously, which can be engaged easily and the individual can actually participate consciously in crossing over, as their spirit lifts from their body/mind mechanism and is guided to the mansion worlds.  Few individuals of your world experience this glorious transition, however; we see more and more individuals doing that. Many individuals die almost unexpectedly, as though it were a surprise.  Yes, there are accidents, people do get killed instantaneously in horrendous accidents of automobiles and airplanes, and so on, or they are murdered, or however they pass violently and quickly.  For those who do not, death is oftentimes a surprise, as I said, that they unexpectedly say, “Huh?  Well how did that happen?”  They are shocked by this occurrence, and so there are many who have refused to engage the light, move forward towards the light, and cross over easily; they are unaware that their body has died, that their spirit remains here, and many times it is not consciously known by them, that they still remain here. They have not been trained to have curiosity about being God knowing, and traversing the ladder of light, as you might call it, to the ascendant realm.  Death is surprising to them.  Now, please engage further questions, as I am sure you have many.

 [See addendum for further clarification.]

 

Assisting in the death process of another

 

Vicki:  MONJORONSON, one of the most troubling parts of assisting one who is dying, is not knowing whether this dying individual is both physically and emotionally comfortable, especially when they still appear to be in a semi-conscious state, but can’t communicate to us.  It’s a troubling time for those practitioners and hospice workers who are assisting one through their dying experience.  Is there something you can offer us in the form of advice along these lines?

 

MONJORONSON:  Yes, that is to detach yourself from your own body, recognize that you are a spirit, in the presence of another spirit.  The difficulty they are having is detaching from their material body.  Many of you see speaking to the dying about death as an imposition, a faux pas, so to speak.  However, there is a reality about death that almost should compel you, require you, to address that spirit, from the spirit within yourself.  There has been much preparation for you in hospice, to engage this process, but there has been very little preparation for the dying to engage this process as well. 

 

By this conversation we are having today, you are thinking about that process yourself; those who are reading these words think about that process as well.  Dying is as natural as birth; it is as natural as growing flowers in the garden, as growing vegetables for dinner.  The act of dying is natural.  What people have done, cultures have done, whole societies have done, is to see death as the end of a continuum, which is not true.  Death is simply stepping across a line in the sand of life; it shifts, you can cross it easily; you can see across it to the other side.  You, who have good early morontial vision, can see across to the other side.  It is not scary, it is something you simply have not done. 

 

The peaceful death

 

Dying peacefully begins by seeing your body at the end of an era; the materialism of your body is just clothing for the spirit; it is not who you truly are; it is given to you temporarily to help you engage the experiences of this world.  Your attachment to the materiality of this world impedes your easy progress across.  Many would cross earlier and more easily from life to dying, had they truly understood that their attachment to the materialism of life, to their body, hinders their crossing easily.  When you begin to see yourself as an ascendant spirit, who is a captive in a body, you will engage this continuum more easily and approach the event of death as something which is transitory and temporary.

 

You go to bed at night and you never think about losing consciousness as frightening; you in fact, seek it to ease the pains of the day, to overcome the emotional distresses of life.  You go to sleep in peace.  What did Shakespeare say?  Something like, “Sleep, sleep knits up the raveled sleeve of care, of the day,” and so it does, and if you were to see your life as a continuum of spirit, you would engage your physical death as easily as you engage going to sleep at night; you would look forward to it; you would be happy about it; you would be joyous; you would celebrate and ask your friends to share in that event with you.  We ask you, dear ones, to teach others about death and dying, that it is natural, but that it is needful to be delayed as rationally useful, so that you gain the full spectrum of experiences as a living being. 

 

This lifetime truly is what you will live on and feast on in your morontial life, as you gain new experiences.  You will see this brief archive of history of your soul’s growth and development as a resource for interpreting your new experiences and for re-interpreting the experiences you had during your lifetime.  This is all there is!  This is what you get; this is the material feast of your eternal career.  You have the opportunity to fill it to the greatest extent.  That is why we ask you to live life consciously, joyously, fully, deeply!  Drink in the events of your life with great richness.  Your resentments, your hostilities, your hatreds prevent you from moving ahead peacefully, gradually, into death.  Your negative emotions strive to keep you locked into your body and you have less to use in the afterlife for your lessons that come along then.

 

Giving permission to die

 

You as the hospice worker, you as the family member, you as the child to the parent who is dying—it is not unkind to say to them, “Dear One, do you realize that you are dying?  That this is an event that you can engage peacefully, if you wish.”  For many who are dying, these words are gratefully received. It is that someone gave them permission to now cross over, rather than resisting, resisting, resisting.  There is a need for giving permission to die.  Many times, the elderly have learned to live life and hang on to it; they are survivalists and they resist the inclination to die, when it is obvious that this is the next step to take.  Those individuals who are suffering from physical disease, who are suffering from great, tremendous disability, those with great minds who are locked in, totally disabled bodies, oftentimes would embrace death and they wish to cross over.  However, oftentimes it is simply a matter of giving yourself permission and stating, “I now wish to die; I so begin the process.”  This makes it easy for that individual, and it makes it easier for those around them.

 

Managing the physical pain of dying

 

Vicki:  I think we’ve addressed the psychological needs for the dying.  The one that is standing out for me now is helping people manage the ‘physical pain of dying.’  So I’m wondering when you talk about us detaching our spirit, or communicating with their spirit, in doing that, are we capable of helping them transcend physical pain?

 

MONJORONSON:  Yes.  Too often, the medications that are given deaden the pain process, from the nerves to the brain.  What would be much more advantageous is to assist the individual to engage a transpersonal experience of an altered state of consciousness, rather than the dead-numb of a brain that has been dosed with heroin or morphine to such a great extent.  The person then is virtually breathing, but dead as a spirit.  The option of assisting the individual in having an altered state of consciousness, a spiritual experience, assists them to bypass the pain episode and to engage the higher realms of spirit and the body and the mind.  This would be new territory for your medical professionals; it is almost shamanistic in many ways, but it is helpful to the mind to grasp the altered states of consciousness that are precursors to death and the cessation of mind activity, and avail themselves to the ascendance of the spirit towards its career in the mansion worlds.

 

Vicki:  I believe that message was hugely important to us.  And so now, I’d like to engage you in some conversation about how other cultures view the dying process and its practical use for all of us.  This whole topic is a delicate one, because there is also a tremendous variation in cultures, as to their beliefs, rituals and practices.  Some rituals and beliefs, from Eastern civilizations, are now beginning to merge into the practices of Western cultures and they may offer us quite a bit of insight.  I want to talk about one in particular.

 

Eastern practices of the death process

 

According to the Tibetan beliefs, the dissolution or dying process encompasses eight stages, related to and in the order of four elements—earth, water, fire and air.  At the beginning with the earth element, each stage marks a point in which those related systems or bodily materials break down.  And also, along with this, it is believed that the dying individual—experiences certain mental and spiritual visualizations that coincide with these stages.  Is there validity to these assumptions?

 

MONJORONSON:  Yes, to a degree.  In those religions and those cultures, the study of death has been most extensive, rather than it being avoided as is typical of Western civilization.  The reading and studying of death prepares each individual for that event.  It gives them a schema, it gives them a format, a schedule, an agenda for the passage of their own life.  It is a way of them reflecting in real time, upon the process of dying.  This is a great aid to the individual who is dying; they already have an agenda or schedule that they are aware of, that they know they will experience as they proceed closer and closer to the separation of their spirit from their body.  This is very helpful to the individual.  It is as helpful as well to those who remain. 

 

The reconciliation of death and dying

 

I point out to you that death and dying has more to do with the living than with the person who is dying.  It is a process of helping the individual reconcile their own life and living with the individual who is crossing over and passing out of their present spiritual existence.  The reconciliation of death and dying is vitally important for those individuals who remain, particularly in the Western cultures.  Your remaining here oftentimes is seen as shameful [to you] and you feel guilty for remaining, while the other person crosses over. The Western cultures that see death and dying this way really are antiquarian; they are very, very primitive in this death process.  We are not suggesting that you approach death as “Ho hum, it is just another latte’” but that you see it as an event that has significance for the individual who is crossing over.  There is tremendous selfishness in Western cultures about the process of dying.  Selfishness is always on the part of the living, that they must do everything possible to assist the person who is dying, to remain living!  And this is simply very, very difficult for everyone concerned.  The easier acceptance of death as a natural progression of life and the spirit needs to be incorporated.  We applaud those cultures, as you have mentioned, which have engaged a thoughtful analysis of the process of dying, and have it put into a rational schema for them; it assists everyone when the event of death occurs.

 

However, sudden death is something which few cultures can adjust to or reconcile easily, as a person whose heart has stopped will be dead within four minutes, or less.  The cessation of mind/mental activity begins the dissolution of death, and though the heart stops and though the mind registers no brain activity, there is still dying going on, that there is time in the minutes that pass, from the cessation of mental activity, for the body to give up the spirit, and the spirit to release itself from those bonds.  Those moments are precious; it is needful at that time of dissolution, after cessation of mental activity, to guide the spirit forward.  You as a hospice worker could be very, very instrumental in the passage of the spirit to the mansion realms, in a speedy manner, rather than remaining in a confused and uncertain state of their existence. 

 

Disembodied spirits

 

It would be helpful for you, as a spirit guide in the flesh, to assist the spirit by saying, “You have died.  Your body is no longer an instrument for you to occupy.  It is now time for you to engage the light over your shoulder or before you, and move ahead towards it, so that you may engage the rest of your life.  You would be quite amazed how this is appropriate and functions well for those spirits, as there would be few disembodied spirits wandering around in a confused state on your world.  These individuals do not respond well to even the midwayers, or to those guardian angels, who are there for them.  This is a state of existence which few understand, but which we strive to lessen and lessen, as times pass. 

 [See addendum.]

 

I hope my blunt speaking about this era, these moments after mental cessation, do not shock you, but that you can grasp the incredible importance of these moments, for yourself, and your responsibilities as an aid and guide to that spirit, which is moving on.

 

Vicki:  Oh no, MONJORONSON, it doesn’t surprise me, and thank you so much for addressing it.  I want to make sure I understand:  Basically, after we take our last breath then, our mind or our consciousness is still open and receptive to input from our loved ones, is that correct?

 

Speaking to the spirit

 

MONJORONSON:  Yes, it is not the mind that is working anymore; you are actually speaking to the spirit entity of that person, as an intelligent being.  You often think of mind as having intelligence; actually, the brain has intelligence, it has the mind, and it is just the operating system.  Once the mind shuts down, then the body no longer functions, and the mind no longer responds to you.  What you are doing is speaking to this spirit, the spirit of that person, as an intelligent entity: they have consciousness, and you have consciousness, and you can speak to that entity of that deceased person, intelligently, and offer them suggestions.  Remember that the spirit that has become disembodied is oftentimes confused.  It is important that the guardian, be there with them, so that they can guide the spirit onward to the mansion worlds, through the tunnel of light, as you describe it.  Once in the tunnel, they are on their way.  It is that those moments from reaching out by their guardian to the spirit who will guide them to the light, that you would provide, if the person is not a believing individual of God or guardian angels.

 

Touch during the dying process

 

Vicki:  MONJORONSON, there are people who believe that only certain parts of the body should be touched, during the intermediate and final stages of death.  And some believe that touching the crown chakra facilitates the dying process.  I’m confused about this because in my experience, with a dying friend recently, it seemed that she was comforted by being gently rubbed and touched.  Could you clarify this for us?

 

MONJORONSON:  Most definitely.  There are two things that happen in this situation:  In the first, let us say you touched the crown chakra, actually the touching of the crown chakra is a conscious, intentional effort, on your part, to contact the crown chakra or the mindedness of that individual, to assist them.  The touching of the fingers or hand, upon the head of the individual, is perfunctory; it is a superficial completion of your actions that you have taken through your mind.  It is your consciousness and your intention, which is most important that you are acting out.  You can do the same thing, with your intention and consciousness, without actually touching the body. 

 

Now, the second part is that touching the body while the person is conscious or semi-conscious assists in occupying that part of the brain and mind activity, so that it is preoccupied.  It is much like trying to be in contact with part of your mind, so that you can remember.  When you wash the windows or the floor, or do something repetitious of a sort with your physical body, you are allowing the other parts of your mind to become activated and become much more conscious.  So the touching and massaging of a dying person is actually relieving their mind of having to be aware of their body, which may be in pain.  The hands upon the body in massage allow the individual to track those areas of their body, which are being touched, and the focus is on those areas of touch and how it feels, and how they remembered it being felt, when they were massaged before, rather than the agony and grinding pain that they may feel in other parts of their body.  It is a preoccupation of the mind, so that there is relief from that action, which is very kind and a caring thing to do.

 

Spiritual chemistry

 

Vicki:  MONJORONSON, this is a question both about living and dying.  It’s about spiritual experience and our chemistry.  Our scientists believe that we have isolated a chemical in our pineal glands that increases in amount during an out of body or near death experience.  This implies that there may be other chemical changes taking place during the processes of both our living and dying that stimulate spiritual experience.  Is that a correct assumption?

 

MONJORONSON:  Yes, it is.

 

Vicki:  Can you tell us anything more about this chemistry that may stimulate spiritual experience.

 

MONJORONSON:  I alluded to that in my answer about using psychoactive drugs to assist a person in having an out of body, transpersonal experience.  It is of great assistance to the individual to process their dying as a spiritual experience.  Most individuals of your culture do not see dying as a spiritual experience but as a regretful, physical leaving of the pleasures that they had earlier in life.  The altered state of consciousness assists in this passage being interpreted as a spiritual experience.  It allows the gates between consciousness and spiritual experience to be withdrawn.  It is much like a drawbridge to a castle; that you are in the castle of your mind, the drawbridge is put down, and you can cross it and enter the grand vistas of the horizon of the spirit realm easily and deliberately.  Yes, there are many chemical processes which are undergoing in the death experience.  However, it is only in the conscious traverse of this space that these chemicals usually develop.  You are seeing evidence of that in out of body, near death experiences, those individuals who are having transpersonal experiences in their living moments that have been analyzed by your scientists.  This can be assisted as I said, through the application of psychoactive drugs.  Not much is needed, as the mind is usually open and receptive to this, and can be done most easily.

 

Vicki:  Thank you.  I’ll have to think about this before I address it again. 

 

“Young and old souls” defined

 

I have another question that is kind of on the fringe of this topic, but that I would appreciate an answer on.  I am confused by the reference made to “young” and “old souls.”  Since we have been told that this mortal existence is truly our first life experience, could you explain to us what is meant when one is referred to as a young or old soul?

 

MONJORONSON:  (Chuckling) 

 

[Vicki:  Is he laughing, or is that you, Daniel? 

 

[Daniel: (Also laughing now) It’s him!]

 

This is MONJORONSON:  I thought you would never get around to asking this question!  Yes, this is a most interesting topic, and as one that has puzzled many, many people for centuries.  What you are experiencing is fundamentally the prior experiences of your Thought Adjuster.  It has tremendous access to the annals, the recordings of other personalities that it has experienced, both directly and vicariously.  Thought Adjusters are most capable, and are vastly underestimated in their capacity to assist you to grow, to learn, to bypass many of the difficult lessons of life, if you would only engage your Thought Adjuster much more consciously, deliberately and intentionally.

 

An “old soul” is one who has had many past experiences; one who recalls the wisdom and experience of a past life.

 

[Daniel:  I’ve got to get a drink of water here.  I think I can maintain…this is really interesting to me!  I’ve wondered about this before.  I knew many people’s definition of reincarnation was just grossly limiting, just incredibly limiting.  But I never have thought about what he’s saying here.  Hang on.]

 

MONJORONSON: (Continuing.)  Well, let’s go to Divinington!  Thought Adjusters come into existence by the will of the Creator, the First Source and Center.  They go to Divinington for training.  Now, what happens there?  Many, many individuals speculate.  What we know is that they are preparing for reception in the next life that they will have with you.  In that arena, they undergo training in how best to engage this person who they will be working with.  It is as though they were in symposiums, sharing information about other life experiences.  Your Thought Adjuster knows very thoroughly the life that you will exist [in], before you are born.  They know the culture you will be raised in, the parents you will have, the siblings you will have, the career that you will have, those individuals who are friends and intimates, and those who are enemies.  The Thought Adjusters are fully aware of this. 

 

Their guidance to you is always most indirect, passive, even casual, you might think, yet it is with deliberateness and intention of the Creator who created the universe, that this is the most important experience this Thought Adjuster will ever have and wants to invest totally in it.  You, who are aware that you are an old soul, have a greater conscious awareness and participation with your Thought Adjuster, than those who are totally oblivious of any past lives, or experiences of their soul level and maturity.  You must remember that your evolved status is comparatively rare to the vast majority of humans on your world, that most are simply eking out a living, going through the motions of survival from day-to-day, moment-to-moment, without giving thought to their own thinking. 

 

You who are analyzing and observing your own thinking and feel that you have had prior existences, surely have through the vicarious input of your Thought Adjuster.  Whether you have actually had other lifetimes as a soul is really quite irrelevant to this lifetime.  You are in this lifetime, and this is what you have, what has been given to you, and this is the most total, real experience that you will have, during the moments of your breaths on this world, so engage it directly and with intention, as sincerely and diligently as your Thought Adjuster is. 

 

The God presence within you brings far more resources to this venue, to this arena of activity with you, than you have any imagination.  You will not ever truly become fully cognizant of the capacity of your Thought Adjuster, until you arrive in Paradise, preparatory to your embrace by the Creator.  This is something which will be a mystery to you all during this time, even after your fusion with your Thought Adjuster, though at that moment and the moments that follow, you will be quite in awe of what has occurred, and what is before you, and the tremendous resources that you have to proceed in the infinity of time ahead of you.  So dear ones, with you who are able to appraise the maturity of a soul in another, is not remarkable, it is in accord with your own estimation of your own development and maturity that you have awareness of from your Thought Adjuster. 

 

Oftentimes you are in the presence of an infant, and you look upon this child and you feel that you have an intuitive, thorough knowing and understanding of the capacity of the soul, of this individual.  The soul in this case we could identify as the partnership between this mortal being, and the Thought Adjuster, and so it rather shines out to you from the mind activity of the infant, as a na´ve, uncluttered mind, that has not been obscured by the veils of culture and learning and indoctrination.  We find it fascinating to observe you, thinking about this, and doing nothing about your own contact with your Thought Adjuster.  This is a wonderful process to contemplate, to speculate about, and to give wonder to, for that is truly what it is—it is wonderful!

 [See the addendum for further clarification on this topic.]

 

Vicki:  Thank you, MONJORONSON from the bottom of my heart.  I think many of us have been ready for awhile to receive these insights you’ve given us today, and I do think it will impact the way we interface with others.  So with that said, my questions are concluded.

 

MONJORONSON:  I thank you for this time, and as you think about the passing of a friend who lies before you, we know it is sad for you, as you literally feel and see and know, to the depth of your being, the passage of this personality from your presence, that something has been taken away from you, something that is precious, something that is dear, something that has become personally known to you in great detail during the intimate moments of friendship through your lifetime.  There is not much to do for this but to appreciate the magnitude of what you experienced together.  Thank you.

 

Vicki:  That was beautiful, thank you.

 

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Dear Readers,

There were two areas in this transcript that we felt required additional clarification from Monjoronson before it was published in that they extended the knowledge given to us through the Urantia Book.  Though this is not the first time for extended knowledge to appear in the transcripts of the Correcting Time nor will it probably be the last, we felt these two areas were sensitive in nature and required a deeper understanding.   This addendum is the result of a short team session that was conducted with Monjoronson in response to that need. 

Sincerely,

The Special Session Team

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ADDENDUM TO special Session #9

[Clarification sought from Monjoronson, April 1, 2010]

 

Vicki:  Good morning, Monjoronson.  (Good morning.)  We requested this session today because of some content in our last session that we feel needs some clarification, before we publish the transcript.  I’m wondering if you would be willing to answer some additional questions for us, and maybe help us with this.

 

MONJORONSON:  I would be glad to.

 

Additional comments on disembodied spirits

 

Vicki:  We are anticipating that there will be some reaction to the discussion of “disembodied spirits” and the struggles that some individuals go through, when they cross over.  It’s not something that to my knowledge, is addressed in the Urantia Book, so it is somewhat “new information,” and likely to be challenged.  Is this valid and did we transmit this correctly?

 

MONJORONSON:  What the Urantia Book describes is a much-simplified addition of understanding of continuity of spiritual existence.  It was published with the intent of offering, very clear, very lucid, very understandable, unambiguous information to the reader, not knowing their level of sophistication.  Given the cultural maturity of your society, and your world experience, in the English language cultures, there is a paucity of information about spiritual existence.  It is far better to provide elementary instruction and information to newcomers to this area of thinking, rather than over-weighting them with complex concepts of existence of spirit.  The curious mind will, of course, devise questions and come to surmise certain situations, and ask questions about that.  It is important that the mind be curious.  As we said, it is too much to overload early and young minds with this information, too soon.  Does this help?

 

Vicki:  Yes, it does, and I do feel that there are many of us who are ready for an extended explanation in these areas or topics, and I being one, truly appreciate it.

 

Infants and the Thought Adjuster

 

Vicki:  Thank you.  We are told in the Urantia Book that the Thought Adjuster does not indwell until the first moral decision, which is approximately around the age of 5 or 6, and at that time, it is considered the birth of the soul.  Through the answers we received from you in our last session, they imply that the soul exists prior to this indwelling, and that the Thought Adjuster is “present” or “invested” in some capacity, with the mortal, prior to this indwelling.  Can you clarify this for us?

 

MONJORONSON:  Most definitely.  Let us take the “soul” and the “Thought Adjuster” separately.  In the context of the individual who is the newborn, there is the “empty envelope” of the soul, waiting for the first moral decision to be made, and to begin its journey of becoming filled and fuller/ more full, with each passing decision of the individual.  The Thought Adjuster, as we discussed in the transcript earlier, exists and has been in training prior to the birth of the individual.  The Thought Adjuster is in “waiting” for the first moral decision by the individual.  It is a “Thought Adjuster in waiting,” so to speak, and that this is an inauguration, an event of investment, where the Thought Adjuster is now fully invested in the being of the child.  And I repeat that it has been “in waiting” for this decision to become known.  We hope you understand that the birth of a child does not mean that it is necessarily a viable, moral creature.  It could have mental disabilities; it could have deficiencies of any number of problems, that would not make it receptive for the reception of the Thought Adjuster, but the Thought Adjuster does not pre-guess this, and is in waiting for that first moral decision.  Does this help clarify?

 

Vicki:  Yes, it does to a degree.  Let me think about this—so in your reference to seeing the “soul,” through the infant, what you are saying is we are seeing that “empty envelope,” is that correct?

 

MONJORONSON:  Yes.  What has failed to be evidently clear in the text, is that the soul does not spontaneously flash into existence at the first moral choice.  It has been there and waiting, much as the Thought Adjuster has been in waiting.

 

Vicki:  Okay.  I think that clarifies it, at this point.  Is there anything else that you would like to add to this, to help us?

 

Infants and the soul

 

MONJORONSON:  Yes, most certainly.  If readers and listeners to these conversations have questions, they should direct them to you, or to another responsible individual for correlation to formulate new questions.  I would be most glad to engage those questions.  Concerning children and the soul and the Thought Adjuster, I mentioned in passing that it is sometimes an eager parent or visitor [that] might be aware of the maturity of the soul of the infant, and what was not disclosed in that discussion was that the consciousness of the infant is an open portal to awareness of events and developments in the morontial and spiritual realm. 

 

Consciousness is a “portal,”—do not forget this—that is why, when you enter into meditation, you surround yourself with the Father’s presence, that of the Holy Infinite Spirit and the Eternal Son, so that you condition your consciousness, so that as you are open, you have only the best that the universe can give you.  We are not saying that the universe is full of predatory dark spirits—quite the contrary—there is only the necessity of surrounding yourself in light, as you live.  This is something that we suggest you do throughout all your waking hours, and your sleeping hours as well.  The consciousness that you are a perfecting being, that you are in the process of becoming perfect, and that you are invested with the Holy presence of a fragment of the Creator.  Few of you hold this in your consciousness, and it is very helpful that you do so when you meditate, and so on. 

 

Thus for the infant, who has not been enculturated and given the veils of your culture and your society, the mind is open and accessible to that from which they came.  This is also true in the elderly who are devout, and who believe in God, and who begin the slow process of dying, they also become transparent in their consciousness, and the veil of consciousness becomes thinner and thinner, as they approach the moment of death, so that they can cross through that veil, easily and consciously, which is for this new being in the morontial realm, very, very significant and enjoyable.

 

Vicki:  And I would just like to thank you again, for being here with us today to clarify our concerns.  Your presence is greatly appreciated.

 

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