Conversation with A Man Who Went to Mars Part One
by Morgan Kochel
June 27, 2012
Based on an interview conducted over several days in February 2012. My goal is only to help him get his story heard,
because if this story IS true, the people of this planet are being lied to on a grand scale, and perhaps this will eventually
help the UFO Disclosure Movement. It's time for the lies to be uncovered, and time for the truth -- whatever that may be --
to be known once and for all.
Please read and spread. Thanks.
I wasn't looking for an interview to do, let alone one of an astronaut who had been to Mars, yet this is what I stumbled
In February of 2012, I was relaxing at home and perusing people on Twitter, looking for interesting people to follow.
Out of the usual batch of UFO researchers, alternative news feeds, and so-called "conspiracy" theorists that I enjoy reading
Tweets from on occasion, the bio on one account in particular caught my eye.
"I was part of a team of 3 astronauts that went to Mars on a privately funded secret mission, 2 are now dead, they're
killing us to preserve the secret."
Needless to say, I was quite intrigued.
What followed was a very interesting conversation between this man, Chad Johnson (not his real name), and me about
his amazing experience, and how he has been on the run ever since his daring escape from a remote base in the middle of a
desert somewhere near Mongolia once he discovered he was in danger from the very people who employed him. While I can in no
way verify his story, I can also offer no evidence that he is lying. More importantly, to myself at least, he has asked for
help in making his story known to those who might be interested, and to hopefully get word to his family that he's alive and
well. It is also hoped that by telling his story, he will be able to attract some sort of protection from the right people.
His story isn't one of aliens, advanced secret technology, or time travel, but of the reality of a secret space program.
Many accounts have come out on YouTube and online discussion forums about the possibility of U.S. astronauts going to Mars,
but as far as I know, this is the first time that one of the astronauts themselves has come forward to tell the public about
just such a secret space trip to the red planet.
The following is our conversation that we had utilizing Twitter's Direct Messaging (DM) system about said Mars adventure,
offered here for any and all to view. (Chad wished to use Twitter due to its current relative security.) If this story is
true, it should serve to show us all that much, much more goes on in the various space programs than we are ever told about
in the mainstream media.
We are all learning a great deal this year already about things that have been previously hidden to the majority
of Earth's people, thanks mostly to the proliferation of the Internet and the ease with which we can all now find all sorts
of information that was previously quite hard to come by for the average person. While utilizing a great deal of discernment
and skepticism is always good advice in this new "Age of Revealing," a balance must be sought between the need to immediately
label something as "true" or "untrue" without having access to all the facts. In other words, I think it's best to keep one's
mind open, take in all the information one is interested in, and then simply see what happens. So many are quick to shout
"LIAR!" or "SHILL!" when there is simply no evidence for it one way or the other, only one's own fear of being duped. Not
hastening to judgement is a sign of wisdom, not gullibility. It is in this spirit that I offer the following story, and I
hope you enjoy reading it as much as I did hearing about it!
[The interview has been edited only for spelling, punctuation, and grammar. Bits of conversation that were not relevant
to the story have been removed for ease of reading. Questions regarding this story can be directed to the contacts listed
at the end of this document.]
Morgan: So, please tell me a little bit about your background.
Chad: I went to Portland State, Oregon, and studied math and after a few jobs wound up in the U.S. Air Force.
M: How long were you in the CIA? Would you be willing/able to talk about what that was like?
C: I was seconded to the CIA for about two years; ironically, part of my brief was to observe some of the foreign
scientists at NASA.
My CIA days were mainly whilst training at NASA and were evidence of the paranoia the organization had towards any
foreign national working. In a high security government installation, I think a Russian spy was found in deep cover whilst
I was away...Chapman? She was the kind of Operative the CIA always knew existed but struggled finding until they changed their
recruitment program to seconding people in places such as NASA, etc., and away from recruiting directly from a person's current
I can tell you now that most of the major IT companies in the U.S. have covert operatives observing them, including
Google, Facebook, etc. Probably Twitter, as well, although that is small compared to the others. They approach you and offer
training and clandestine payment arrangements so you're not tracked. That way, the IRS isn't alerted to then monitor your
activity. They also task you with certain requirements, such as hacking into e-mail accounts, etc. It's a lot easier to do
it from the inside, and also a lot cheaper. I actually have to travel to Ohio for my training. Not a lot to it. Being ex-Air
Force, they have a complete record on me already, so I just had to do some refresh work on espionage tactics. I couldn't believe
how much goes totally unreported to anyone, though. The CIA is truly a law unto themselves. They control so much, like the
flow of communications. Any security issues go through them; the FBI are nothing compared to them, and they know how to create
a diversion away from the actual story. It's frightening and easy to see why so many people are scared of them.
M: Wow, thank you so much for that. Very interesting! How did you become involved in a trip to Mars?
C: As NASA wound up their space program -- huge mistake, as they are falling behind -- I wound up in Europe and was
contacted about a job. Simple as that. It was a privately funded mission to Mars. At first, I thought they were joking, but
there was a lot of money offered, so I met their team. It was a Russian/Chinese joint venture that would launch from a remote
part of China, and they wanted us to collect samples for testing. I want this story told so that people know what really goes
on behind the conspiracy theories.
M: Who would you like this story to reach?
C: It would be good to show my family through this that I'm still alive. But if you're expecting time travel, aliens,
and teleportation, you will be disappointed. Sorry, but none of that happened to us.
M: Nope, I have no expectations. I was intrigued by your bio, and if you have a concerned family, I have even more
interest in helping you. If you're okay with this, I'll be transcribing our conversation for easier reading and posting online
at some point.
So, once you started this program, what happened? What kind of travel was used? How long did it take?
C: Good about no expectations as there are no green men ‹ H.G. Wells was wrong. I may also be sporadic, as
I am on the move a lot. Training lasted twelve months, very intense, including psychiatric tests. It took us about 230 days
to get there, and slightly less back. We used rocket technology regularly available now. Just bigger tanks and more thrust.
Nothing unusual in equipment to get there, but better radiation protection, as you can imagine, due to journey time: high
risk = high pay.
This [map, above] was roughly the location of our base in the China desert near the Mongolian border [source: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gobi_desert_map.png
] , pretty much in the middle of nowhere. It was also a temp base and well hidden. That last Russian mission (2011) was probably
sabotaged. It was state-backed, and they won't declare the fault, which probably means foul play. I reckon the mission planned
this year will also mysteriously fail, as well. Mars is a mining company's dream, and they'll want to keep it secret. As long
as people speculate about failed missions and little green men, their eyes are taken off the real reason for failed missions.
M: Yes, I know those little "men" aren't green. ;) Interesting - I suspected sabotage, too. What kinds of minerals
are up there? Also, where on Mars did you land, and why do you suppose rockets [as opposed to, say, the newer plasma rockets]
C: We landed near Ares Vallis. Our employers got some data about the Sojourner landing, and this was the place they
wanted to explore. We took the same type of collecting devices used by geologists, which is why this had to be a manned mission,
as no robot could do this. There were plenty of minerals that we analyzed on the way home: metals, particularly gold(?), and
some other substance that was a form of composite like carbon fiber, but already in a usable form. The list of items gathered
was long, all of it valuable, some were totally unique, others were more mundane. I think part of our mission was to evaluate
the commercial viability of future mining missions, and also to ascertain potential value related to the density of minerals
per square meter of Martian surface. Then they could work out tech requirements to create some kind of mining mission. Also,
[they were interested in] the potential to use some indigenous fuel substance on Mars, which would dramatically reduce the
fuel requirements and, therefore, the weight of the outbound journey.
This amazing panorama of the Ares Vallis flood plain made the front pages of newspapers around the world in July 1997.
It was taken by the Mars Pathfinder lander and features the tiny, 23-pound Sojourner rover nuzzling a rock. The lander and
the rover recorded weather patterns, atmospheric data and the composition of many Martian rocks, which apparently had washed
down the channel eons ago. The rover, capable of changing course when it met obstacles, captured the imagination of the thousands
who followed the mission on the Internet.
NASA Jet Propulsion Labratory
The rockets we used were an advanced version of the area rocket, nothing else was available. Like I said, no time
travel, plasma rockets, etc. Still, it was reliable enough to be considered in the real world. Sabotage of the Russian mission
was to prevent immediate follow-up to our findings.
M: That was quite interesting. Thank you for that. Now, you said earlier that you "escaped." Why might these people
be attempting to potentially cause you harm, or worse?
C: The only reason they would have wanted us dead was to preserve the secret from others so they could get a head
start. Nothing about conspiracies, just greed. Moon missions probably stopped as there's nothing of any value there.
M: What did you eat on the trip?
C: We had a strict protein and carb diet for example, increased sleeping patterns to preserve food, etc. All this
took about a year to train for, but it's very boring and not what people want to hear.
M: Not boring at all! You went to Mars! It's still very interesting and quite important. People will want to know
this, so I must ask: Did you see any UFOs or other unusual objects in space?
C: We did record some interesting sights on the cameras, but nothing conclusive. Also, it was immediately sent back
and deleted from our computers, so we couldn't review them. I'll bet the shuttle got some interesting footage, through! Plenty
of rumors when I was there, but no one on those missions spoke to us.
M: How does Mars look compared to the pictures that the public has been shown? Take a look at this video showing
alleged photos of Mars.
C: Mars is exactly like on those photos.
M: When was the last time you saw your family?
C: I had no contact with my family for over two years now, and it was limited before the mission.
M: Is there an atmosphere on Mars?
C: The atmospherics are not suitable for sustaining life as we know it, too gaseous and thin. The rock formations
are fascinating, though. They allude to a previous time where there may have been life or something more sustainable. I just
wished we had more time on the surface. That region was perfect since hardly anyone had been there, so nobody bothered to
M: Why do you want your story told now?
C: The reason for going public now is that we got back about three months ago, and after debriefing, I knew something
was wrong, so I went on the run. The public should know the truth because, before we know it, big business will control the
wealth of resources on Mars and they [the public] will lose out. It's about supply and demand. Boring, I know, and not a great
story, but essential that people know about this scandal. Although U.S. foreign policy has long been controlled by the flow
of oil, this time they may miss out because of the recent NASA budget cuts.
M: What was it about the return briefing that alerted you and convinced you of a need to escape?
C: The fact that our chief engineer was chastised for talking about our arrival back on the phone to someone is what
alerted me of possible issues. We were told not to discuss anything in exact terms such as timings, etc., as we would compromise
the mission. Also, we were promised a "keep quiet bonus" of many millions for not divulging our findings on Mars; obviously,
that alerted me to an issue! We were also prevented from leaving our base unless escorted. This was after the month or so
of rehabilitation that it took to regain body strength. As you can imagine, we all wanted to get out and try to contact our
families, but were told we couldn't. That immediately made me think something was wrong. All our money was in Swiss deposit
boxes in cash, and we had no way of getting it or communicating without supervision.
We were told before we left that we would face up to three months of testing and decontamination procedures when
we returned, but I only did about six weeks, as I escaped once I found out what was happening to my colleagues. I feel sick
and dizzy from time to time, but it is difficult to treat when no one believes you! They were testing my colleagues to see
what improvements were needed to ensure the safety of future missions. In effect, we were highly-paid guinea pigs. I don't
doubt I wasn't privy to everything that went on. As I said, I was really on the fringes of the CIA.
M: I'm sorry to hear you feel sick! What do you think is wrong?
C: I'm going for tests this week, I don't think those [space]suits were up to much. I feel weak and sick sometimes.
You could actually be writing my Last Will and Testament, not that anyone will believe me, or at least that's what I'm used
M: Hey, don't talk like that! You're back now and alive, so therapy should be able to help you. Can you tell me a
bit more about what made you suspect foul play?
C: Yes, when I was looking around the base, I accidentally found a room where they were carrying out tests on one
of my colleagues. We were being tested for the effects of a prolonged mission. I plotted my escape and got out that night.
As you can imagine, being in the middle of nowhere, I embarked on quite a journey. CIA training comes in useful sometimes.
You have to realize these people will be pissed that I've gotten away, survived, and managed to connect with someone.
I may stay low for a while whilst I undergo treatment, if I need it.
M: Ok, you said that you saw them testing your colleague. I understand that this may be a difficult memory for you
bring up, but can you tell me what it was you saw specifically that freaked you out? Were they hurting him? Or was it something
else? Could it have been they were trying to assist him and, if not, what was it about what you saw that made you suspect
these people were dangerous to you?
C: The night before I saw him there, we were moved into individual quarters for, and I quote, "our own safety." We
had a shared suite of rooms with a main living room, but these rooms were more like cells and had the standard double entry
system with a buffer room to disinfect anyone entering the rooms. We had an allowable amount of time to leave these rooms,
and we had to wear protective antivirus suits, as we were told that they thought an infection had been detected in one of
us, and they wouldn't say who it was. This was a lie because we were clear. When I was allowed out of the room, my escort
took me down a corridor, which must have been a mistake because I managed to look into one of the rooms and saw my colleague
being examined. He was dead; it was an autopsy. I managed to slip my guard in the restroom and escaped.
M: Wow! That's a good reason to be concerned! How did you survive once you escaped from there?
C: I was lucky. I spent a few days aimlessly roaming the desert, and then I bumped into one of the many nomadic tribes
who helped me get safe passage out of there. I headed for Mumbai, hitchhiking and walking, and then got aboard a freight ship
heading for Europe. In all my training, I was always taught self-reliance and to be resourceful. I always thought this could
be a dodgy contract, so I had stored up funds and duplicate ID's in safety deposit boxes in certain parts of Europe, and I
headed to these places. Safe deposit boxes are so easy to conceal anything you like in them, as no one questions them. Amazing,
M: How long were you in the desert?
C: Luckily, only in the desert for a few days before bumping into a nomadic tribe. There are loads of them in the
desert, thank God for that slice of luck!
M: Do you think other people before you have been to Mars, as well?
C: NASA could easily have launched a manned mission to Mars, except successive presidents have stopped it, according
to some NASA engineers. The reason was that NASA couldn't guarantee the safety of the crew and, therefore, it was deemed as
too risky in political terms as no president wanted to be seen to preside over the unnecessary deaths of U.S. astronauts.
That is why NASA hasn't launched one ‹ again the political reasons came to influence science.
M: Were you able to take any pictures of anything that caught your interest in space while on your trip?
C: Anything that we recorded on the cameras wasn't stored on board but simply sent back, and the cache was cleared
by Mission Control. I mean, it's difficult to confirm anything we saw, but there were a few things that weren't obviously
space debris or something else that we recognized.
M: What is your impression regarding life, if it ever existed, on Mars?
C: I wouldn't rule out life in previous times on Mars, as certainly there could have been, as we had limited access
to any samples. Once collected, they had to be securely stored to safeguard against contamination and were vacuum transferred
when we got back. Also, I'm pretty sure they created a UFO diversion to cover our return. This was a well-funded mission,
and I'll bet some of those who are funding it are in the upper echelons of Russian and Chinese society and capable of pulling
off such a stunt. That's another reason why they wanted us kept quiet.
M: During the trip itself, were you in any sort of stasis, or just regular waking and sleeping?
C: We were on a regular sleeping pattern. Stasis is still not feasible.
M: How much space did you have?
C: We had a reasonable amount of space ‹ bigger than a moon mission and enough space to have some "space,"
if you know what I mean.
M: How did you get along with the other astronauts in a confined space for such a long trip?
C: We spent several months training in close proximity to each other and were all Americans, which surprised me,
and it shows how little faith they had in, say, a Russian or Chinese astronaut. We had thousands of hours of films and TV
shows, as well as game consoles so, in truth, we were rather spoilt! Although, it did sometimes get claustrophobic.
M: Sounds kinda fun! What computer games did you play?
C: You'll laugh, but we were encouraged to play on the Wii a lot, as it also doubled up as exercise. We also had
the usual shooter games and some puzzle games, as well.
M: Were there any arguments or disagreements during the trip?
C: We never fought, though we did argue a lot about the games, and that was discouraged. We had weekly assessments
from a psychiatrist back at base, but the further we got into the mission, the harder these became due to the time delay in
Comms [communications], but they helped us understand our anxieties and why we were arguing. Apparently, similar techniques
are used on long-term submarine missions ‹ you know, the ones that go away for months. It helped us cope, but the idea
of playing Wii sports is not in keeping with image of an astronaut, I know!
M: Were you frightened at any point
on this trip?
C: You're never scared, you just have a heightened sense of awareness of danger. It's strange; you train for it,
and you never really feel like anything bad will happen. It's just that you have to be extra cautious about everything you
do. Illnesses, for example. If someone felt ill, or had a headache even, tests and medication were immediately given and the
results recorded. This, I think, was also to examine data on long-term space travel and how the body copes with it physically.
We had a daily routine of exercise and a very strict diet, so we were very well-catered-for, just like guinea pigs,
as I found out.
Part two to follow . . .