MMc’s personal questions for Monjoronson
The true nature of a personal relationship with God
Hearing the Father
Seeing morontial beings in a dream
Repairing the matrix of consciousness
Confusion of concepts and making assumptions
Moderator: Michael McCray (MMc)
October 7, 2011
Prayer: Heavenly Father, we gather in your service with the intention of being of assistance to our natal planet,
Urantia, by participating in Christ Michael’s Correcting Time plan. We invoke the loving presence of Christ Michael and ask
that we be encircuited in loving light and with your blessings for a successful session. Amen
MONJORONSON: Hello, Michael, this is Monjoronson.
was going to introduce myself, but apparently you know who I am.
MONJORONSON: Thank you for your participation in this work.
it’s my pleasure to participate in this work, Monjoronson. I’m quite happy to meet you and speak with you, and have the opportunity to speak
with you. It
is something that I’ve looked forward to, as I’ve not been able through stillness to accomplish.
MONJORONSON: You will find this practice to be very useful to you personally, as well as to the audience of listeners.
MMc’s personal questions
MMc: Yes. I hope that works out. There is a theme that I wanted to talk about
today, and the level of intent I have that has been with me for quite some time, at least back to early 2002, 2003, to increase
the quality of communications across the veil. I know I should probably explain how that came about, and I’ll get to that [in a] moment. Right now I have some questions that I’d
like to ask about my interaction with spirit in the past, and I’m hoping that you can help me resolve [them]. I’m hoping that you might be able to
help me improve my communication with my Thought Adjuster and the other personalities, and I’d like to ask you to clarify
some events in the news, such as it were, in solving some problems we have with communications. Finally, I would like to engage you in a dialog
about how we might improve communications across the veil.
In the fall of 2002, I was in my basement facing
what was a growing frustration for me about the real nature of God to the world. The situation was, and is chaos, multiple religions,
none of them with a true picture of God, science claiming its superiority that there was no need for a God, just an empty
railed and ranted for a good five minutes and when I stopped, in the far corner of the basement, was a masculine voice that
said, “I want you to speak for me.” While taken aback, I said, “You want me to speak for you?” “Yes, I want you to speak
for me,” was his reply. After a moment of thinking, I said, “What do you want me to say?” “Just tell them what you
them what I know?” “Yes, just tell them what you know.” Searching for what I knew that applied, I thought of The Urantia Book. There may have been some more conversation,
but when I asked, “Who are you?” I got the reply, “You may use my name.” “God?” “YOU may
use my name? Michael?” I said the
word “Michael” toward the presence and it was gone. Can you tell me who spoke to me?
MONJORONSON: Yes. It
was Michael. It
was one of the rare opportunities that your Creator Father shared with a mortal. You had been railing and ranting about the difficulties that you
experience in the cultural God that you have learned about in your societies, and so it is a first-hand experience to talk
to God, your God, your Creator, Christ Michael. It was a rare opportunity that is remarkable. Does this help?
it does. Can
you tell me what the interpretation that I’ve made… what was the interpretation of “I want you to speak
for me”? (Forgive
me, my voice is cracking here.)
MONJORONSON: You are speaking for him today. You are a presence. Just as this one does, [you] are guided to relax and speak the words of Christ Michael through you. Truly, would it not be unique to have a dialog
between Christ Michael and Monjoronson? And have that recorded? This would be the penultimate of your experience on this teleconference setting. You are in the process of practicing this. You are learning to relax and to let others
speak through you.
can’t tell you how happy I am with that answer!
MONJORONSON: I understand your happiness.
is the very small piece of what I’m feeling at the moment. I carried the thought that it might be Michael since it happened in the fall of 2002. I had hoped that the interpretation that I
had, that he wanted me to not only be his advocate, but also speak in his place.
MONJORONSON: Yes, it is to allow him to speak through you. You are not to assume that you are speaking ‘as Christ Michael,’ but you
become one who allows himself to carry the voice of Christ Michael through him. This would be something that would be unique and very useful to
him and to us.
you. Back in my basement, I realized what I needed
to do, before I could speak honestly for him, I needed to end the chaos within myself and when I finally decided that there
was a God, I went back to the basement and initiated a prayer to everybody that I could think of—Machiventa, Michael…
you didn’t get asked to come because I didn’t know of your existence at that time—but everybody else that
I was aware of was asked, and I pledged at that time to do all that I could to relieve the chaos in the world over the knowledge
of God. And I think my moving through these circles
is a part of that pledge, is a manifestation of that pledge.
The true nature of a personal
relationship with God
MONJORONSON: You are correct. This venue is needed to bring clarity out of the chaos of past beliefs, of unbelief, to come to understand
the true nature of God, and to each individual’s personal relationship to God, and God’s personal relationship
immediately after that prayer, my Thought Adjuster started speaking with me, continued to speak with me for a couple of hours. Yes, it was a wonderful situation. The events of that night do give, or make it
forever impossible for me to ‘unbelieve’ there is a God, or that he resides within me.
MONJORONSON: Once you have had the experience of experiencing God, then there is no way that you can refute the existence
of God, other than simply being overwhelmed by the presence of God and attributing that feeling, that experience to something
else, as your imagination, which would be a gross error.
MMc: Yes. I have joined the Monjoronson web site in April
of last year, and have been practicing stillness ever since, trying to reach my Thought Adjuster. Do not misunderstand; I am happy with the relationship
that I have now with my Thought Adjuster. It supplies me with a great deal of knowledge that I wouldn’t otherwise have, and the wisdom to go along
with it, but we are not conversational. Do you understand what I mean? (Monjoronson: Yes.) He comes to me as ‘he’s there’. Is there anything that I can do more, besides
Let me give you an analogy: I’m missing something in
stillness, actually what it is that can help me reach that level to communicate with my Thought Adjuster—at least that’s
my feeling. I
took Spanish classes here in the United States in Junior High School, and again in High School, and again in College, but
I couldn’t speak the language. I went to Mexico, and there I became so frustrated that I couldn’t speak the language, that I began
thinking in the language. When I began thinking in the language, that was the emphasis I needed, the small difference I needed
to become a speaker, so after that I didn’t have any trouble speaking the language. I wondered if there was something, some
piece that I am missing here, and perhaps you might be able to tell me what it is.
Hearing the Father
MONJORONSON: Having the capacity to sort out your thinking from that of the Father, most people who are God believers do,
in fact, hear the Father, but the vast majority of them attribute that to their own thinking, as the wiser course of their
do hear the Father and you need not be in meditation to sit in the practice to hear the Father, but simply be open to receive
and with the intention of hearing the Father and to empty your mind so that there is the space of ‘no thought,’
as this one calls it, that allows you to hear and accept that which you hear as from the Father. You can discern later whether it is truly your
thinking or the Father’s. You
are working too hard at this, Michael! The Father is with you; he is a constant companion. Your Thought Adjuster has dedicated its existence to your mortal lifetime
and thereafter, as you choose to be with the Father. The only time the Thought Adjuster would abandon you is the time you would refute your God experience and
reject the love of the Father, but we know that this would not occur in your lifetime, and that there is every eventuality
that you will fuse with your Thought Adjuster in the morontial realm, if not before.
you. Thank you very much. I’m working too hard?
MONJORONSON: Yes, most students do work too hard, whether it is the religionists in their churches and in their daily devotions. The way of the Father is easy. As Christ Michael said as Jesus, “The
burden is light; the walk together is easy.”
good. Thank you very much. Sometime shortly after I had the incident in
the basement, where I talked with my Thought Adjuster, I had a dream. In the dream, two entities came to me, looking straight into my
eyes. The first one held my vision for approximately
less than a minute; the second one took its place for less time. If I describe what they looked like, could you tell me who I saw in my dream? (Monjoronson: You are very welcome to describe them.) Interesting! Are you familiar with Star Trek and the Wooky? (Monjoronson: Yes.) Well the first one looked like a Wooky with short hair, the
same copper color of brown hair with gold eyes, with a triangular flap of skin that was loose and underneath there was a light,
white, red and blue twinkling lights. The second was a more feline face that was white and black with large blue eyes.
Seeing morontial beings in a dream
MONJORONSON: One moment. [Roxie: He’s probably checking with your GA or a member of his staff.] It was a visitation by morontial beings. They were not angelic; these are Celestial
carry with them the signature identification of their species from their originating worlds. It is a rare experience. You are a rare individual to have received
this and to have seen this; others have been presented with the morontial being of individuals, [or] celestial teacher, but
have not been able to capture that or retain that in their memory for one reason or another. It is because of your training as a physician
that you are able to accept that which is foreign and unusual to other people. Yes, this was a visitation by morontial beings.
MMc: Interesting! I thought it might have been a visitation by
you and Serena.
MONJORONSON: No, we do not present ourselves in that way.
good. That’s all the personal questions I have
to ask. Basically, I couldn’t identify any of
those. I really appreciate the feedback you have given
me so far. I
think I will sort through it a little bit later, but right now, let’s move on to some current topics.
Repairing the matrix of consciousness
There was a document that came out through
the ABC documents, Document I, that dealt with changes that the grids have been repaired to some point where they are substantial
enough that you can move on to other things. Can you tell be more about that situation?
MONJORONSON: Yes. It
is as you call them, the ‘matrix of consciousness’ on your planet. Mortals tend to need objectification of their thoughts. Most of you are not capable of understanding
the concept without giving it some kind of objectification, in this case, the ‘matrix’ is the composite of mortal
thought of consciousness, and it acts in many ways like a ‘grid.’ It is the interconnection of supporting minds that support this
grid, as you call it, of consciousness on your planet. It takes very few people to activate it in the positive light, to maintain it, and to
in fact, see it grow, so that it is able to overcome the darkness of unconscious thought of light that is upon your world.
What we have going for us, you have going for
you, is your conscious organization and connection with others of the light, to form this grid, whereas those of darkness
operate usually by themselves, without association or coordination with each other. They are rather amorphous, unorganized. Yes, you are right that this
‘grid,’ as you call it, is growing and it is becoming healed—and as we explain ‘healed,’ it
means that it is becoming complete around the world, that there are fewer places around the globe where there is no one supporting
that consciousness. Are
you with me so far? (MMc: Yes, the
positive consciousness.) Yes, it is the positive consciousness coordinated by the like-mindedness to work with the consciousness
of this planet, and of the Mother Spirit on this world. I will wait for you to respond.
question that came up here is that there was seemingly a great deal of supper urgency made to bring down the “old corrupted
grid” and to establish the new grid of the Father’s love. Then, quite abruptly, we got word from Michael, I believe, that
the grid was fixed as well as it needed to be fixed, that all of the souls that had been trapped would be released and the
grid teams were no longer necessary, that the Melchizedeks would be using light workers for other work. (Monjoronson: Your question?) My question is, is that an accurate assessment
of what is actually happening, or what was left in the minds of most of us, was the expectation that it was going to take
5 years to fix the corrupted grid, to bring it down and re-establish the new grid, and this has been accomplished in 7 months. It seemed miraculous to us and unbelievable. The people that I am associated with are having
trouble believing that this is actually happening. Did it actually happen?
Confusion of concepts and making
MONJORONSON: There is a great deal of confusion surrounding numerous concepts that you have mentioned. There needs to be a better understanding of
these concepts that have been brought together. I do not wish to comment upon your question at this time, until there is greater clarity involving many of
the assumptions made in the originating statement. You—‘you’ meaning collectively—have begun a discussion about things, about concepts
which you have little understanding. What is a ‘grid?” What are these captive souls? The other aspects are not clear, even to those who brought them into awareness. There needs to be an elementary school taught
about these concepts.
you be willing to take up that elementary school?
MONJORONSON: Yes, I would be glad to. Let us set this aside for another time, for you to gain clarity about these concepts. Make a list of them and we will discuss them. What I find in your mind and as you discuss
these with your words is that there has been some unconscious amalgamation of concepts and constructs so that you end up with
something that actually does not exist. This is the great liability of discussing highly complex spiritual and energetic processes with mortals of
such short lifetime, with such bereft education in these matters. This is not a criticism, simply an observation. So let us see if we can sort this out for the
benefit of the reading audience. Thank you.
you. I was hoping that you might be agreeable to
do something like that. I
want to thank you for what you’ve said to me so far in this whole session, and for your willingness to take these concepts
further and to deal with them in some detail. It’s going to be, I think, very helpful for the human side of this equation. In some respects we’ve been too superficial
in dealing with some of these things that are of great spiritual and functional value, and therefore we miss out on making…
we’re left with making assumptions that don’t lead us to reality, and don’t lead us toward the truth. I think by solving some of these new concepts
in more detail, we may be able to have less assumption and more truth in what we are seeing. As time goes on, these concepts will need to
be further evaluated and fleshed out even more, but I think we need to put some flesh on the bones of these guys so that they
can stand on a more solid footing so that your world and my world will come to some agreement. Are we in agreement on that?
MONJORONSON: In eventuality and in time, your world will be in full agreement with ours. What I wish to also say concerning these concepts
is that many of these concepts which have been used lately, have been used in the past decades and centuries before. There is the carryover of the earlier assumptions
as they were used, is correct. This
may not be the case at all. You
will find that some of the concepts which have been used, have been used in other genre of spirituality, whether it is something
of New Age, or something that has been bandied about in past decades in literature by other writers. We urge you to begin to understand where some
of these concepts come from. For
instance, the word ‘grid’ has been used for many decades, and it has been used in less than desirable context. It would be useful to you and to the audience
if you (collectively) would begin to examine where these words come from and where they have been used. You will find that sometimes contemporary authors
bring material to mind which they have read about in another context, and are using them in a similar, though modified way. This is something for you to hold in mind as
we move forward. Thank