(SUPERHUMAN MINISTRY Service Sector)
Conversations With Monjoronson #37
- - Jan. 6, 2012
What causes the profit motive to go out of favor?
The Socratic method of education
Making major changes in our culture
in regard to Healthcare
Can a co-creative design team function
without a TR?
Are there more than the three core values
in the universe?
Changes in our social institutions
The non-electronic global communication
What causes the profit motive to go
out of favor?
What are the higher driving forces?
The new morality
Discovering the “God particle”
Expansion of the universe
The “powers of darkness”
Random questions from readers
How to prepare for the coming lack of
TR: Daniel Raphael
Moderator: Michael McCray (MMc)
January 6, 2012
Prayer: Heavenly Father, we open our consciousness in this moment
to you, to your presence here with us, as you have always been with us. We are grateful for your unending, enduring guidance in our lives
to fully reveal our paths in life, our growth, our challenges and the tools to overcome them and grow. We give thanks for your presence
here today, as well, to help us grow as a family of mankind. Amen.
MONJORONSON: Good morning, this is Monjoronson.
Group: Good morning and welcome again.
MONJORONSON: Thank you. It is good to be back in the
fold of your presence after the holidays, and now we begin a new adventure of this year.
MMc: For us it’s a new year. I am sure that for you it’s
a continuation of a much longer journey.
MONJORONSON: Yes, you are very right about that. It is a moment
in the long journey of life and of bringing your world into the days of light and life, with your assistance and your co-creative
MMc: I wish to thank you for your discussion on consciousness
last time. I
found it most informative.
MONJORONSON: You are welcome. It is a topic that will be never
ending and always unfolding as you progress through the stages of your ascension. You will broaden your awareness of the universe
in ways of which you have no imagination at the present.
MMc: Interesting. I have a rather eclectic mix of questions today,
but before we get started, is there anything you would like to say to our audience?
MONJORONSON: I defer that for your questions. I have some
topics I wish to see explored, but I will defer to your agenda and we will see how it develops.
method of education
MMc: Thank you. Is this question and answer format that we are involved
in typical of the educational system beyond the finite level, the rest of the universe?
MONJORONSON: Yes, it is. The Socratic Method is a wonderful
example of “Seek and ye shall find; ask and you will have answers.” It is a process which is never ending, and even in
the days when you are a member of the corps of Finality, you will still have questions, and these will be answered in the
moments of infinite time. It is difficult to speak of time or in the future from a perspective of the eternal. The juxtaposition between speaking
of the presence in the eternal moment, and the presence in the moment here in the finite universe is much different. Here, everything
is sequential, but in the eternal realm it is completely developmental.
MMc: Completely developmental? Can you enlarge that a little
bit for me, because I’m not sure I understand what you are talking about.?
MONJORONSON: Yes. There is an “order,” a development
where one step leads to another. You see this every year when you plant your gardens. You prepare the soil, you plant the seeds, you nurture
them with water and sunlight and soon they begin to grow. You do not anticipate that you will be able to harvest the carrots when you first
see the little stems, but you wait through the developmental process of growth and maturation to wait for the completion of
that cycle. Some
of the carrots you will eat, and some of the carrots you will leave to go to seed, and then collect the stems, dry them, prepare
the seeds, and then store them for use next year. That is developmental. One step must precede another.
MMc: A few sessions ago I asked the question if you would
please tell us if there was any way to make this venue better, or for me to improve my performance. You applauded my willingness
to ask these types of questions. You told us that we are too “independent,” and I am sure there are many aspects to this. Is our unwillingness
to humble ourselves and ask for help one of the reasons that you say we are too independent?
MONJORONSON: Yes. This question and answer process to
learn the process of togetherness, of coming together of meeting minds at a common point, and though there is a vast difference
between your intelligence and mine we come to a point of agreement during the question and asking/answering process. It is a means
of teaching you to seek the teacher that is around you, in the events and developments that are around you. The old male paradigm of knowing
what is true to you, does not apply to what is true to others. It is a process of wonderment, of curiosity, of being open and receptive
to information. This
allows you to be adaptive and to amend your behaviors, your attitudes, your thinking and your actions in life. You see, there is so much to
be learned through this process and when you have your minds made up, when you are hard and fast in your opinions about something,
then there is no teaching you or no means of raising you to higher levels. When you are open and receptive as little children, then
we can lead you into the greatness that you wish to have in your life, but think that you can do it by yourself. It is much more delightful to
know that your greatness was provided and assisted by those who love you—and we surely do love you—and we want
each of you to come into your greatness, and you can do that through working with each other and with us.
MMc: It would seem that we are much “more”
working together than we ever will be working separately.
giving some thought to the equitable healthcare system for everyone. I can see that there needs to be some substantial changes in thinking,
not only on my own part, but in the culture of society as well. Am I correct in thinking that you said these changes will come about
in the next decade or so?
changes in our culture in regard to Healthcare
MONJORONSON: Yes, we anticipate that they will come
about in the next decade or so, between ten to fifteen years. It is a culture-bending process, which means that it changes the
beliefs and opinions and attitudes and perspectives and expectations of everyone who is involved. And of course, as every human
mortal has a body, it involves every one of you. A major change will be from moving your healthcare system from profit making, as
a profit center, to a service center, which is self-supportive and sustainable. We have spoken of that before. This will be the first and most
important attitudinal change in this field for it to become sustainable. Profits tend to skew, change, or bend the rules of service
to individuals. It
is important that the healthcare system becomes sustainable so that it approaches the treatment of individuals and their bodies,
minds, emotions and spirit in a holistic way, rather than the whole-ism being centered on the profit making centers. Do you understand?
MMc: Yes, I do. Are these changes going to be [made] out of necessity?
MONJORONSON: Yes, you will continue to see an aggravation
[between] those who have and those who have not. What is occurring in the “Occupy Wall Street” phenomena is also part
and parcel replicated in the difficulties of healthcare, where those who have means have opportunities to healthcare, and
those who do not have means, do not have opportunity for healthcare or it is severely limited. You will find in the future that healthcare
will take on a different hue to it, a different tenor. It will not be viewed as “life at any cost,” but focus on the “quality
of life” that is reasonable for everyone. Those who are egregiously wealthy, of course, will have the options for extension
of life at any cost, whereas everyone else will have quality healthcare that may not include those ultimate, extra-ordinary
treatments to continue their lives. In the medical profession there has been a “head-in-the-sand” attitude towards death, and
that it is “life at any cost.” This is unreasonable—unreasonable when you realize that approximately 80% of all
medical costs are spent on individuals who die within two weeks. This is not realistic. Death is a natural process, it [can be] very welcome. It will come
under great scrutiny in the future, and it will not be a mysterious, unknown decision process. Yes, there is always room for miracles,
and miracles will be demonstrated perhaps on an even more frequent basis in the future in the medical services field. Questions
of the morality of who should die and who should live will not be a question at all, but rather it will be a situation where
those who have the capacity to enjoy quality life after treatment will receive that treatment. It is all about the quality of life
MMc: Thank you. You made that much clearer to me.
Can a co-creative
design team function without a TR?
Is it possible
to successfully work the co-creative design team process without a TR?
MONJORONSON: Yes, it is.
MMc: I wanted to share that by utilizing the Schematic for Sustainability and the three
core values, we are able to create a situation where most people that are looking for solutions, can actually find them. So, I believe
that a TR wouldn’t necessarily be required for the process to go on. Each of the individuals involved should be able through
their own guardians and Father Fragment to—if they are committed to actually doing the process—come up with some
ideas that would be along the same lines as a teacher, as a celestial, in leading the group. You need somebody that will be perhaps
in better touch than others, a facilitator, to keep the discussion moving along in the proper direction, and perhaps our friends
will come to our aid here and help us move these ideas forward.
MONJORONSON: Yes, you are correct. Each team must be a team where
there are individual roles. There are the individuals who ask questions, a facilitator, a recorder and a consultant. The consultant can be the consulting
Melchizedek or it can be a mortal, acting in that capacity to backup the facilitator. You will find in the future that there will be sustainability
design teams that have no God-centered individuals participating, and we hold no judgment about that, but encourage them to
work the process. In
some groups everyone is God-centered, but no one actually transmits/receives, and that will be fine, they can produce. As you suggest,
they can go aside, consult within themselves, and go into the space of no thought to receive guidance from their spiritual
this development, because it then raises the spiritual capacity of individual members and assists us in developing their ascendant
I hope you understand
that we see every environment, every grouping, every process as a means to educate the populace of this world to grow spiritually,
to become more prepared for their career in the morontial and spiritual realms. For us, this is an educational process, but also—and
by the way—helps resolve many of the problems that you have on this planet. Sustainability is central to all existence now in
your world, and it is the theme that we will use to educate millions, if not billions of individuals, in the ways of the universe. Having a
TR on the team, of course, aids the team to rapidly develop results much more quickly. However, it is no substitute for individual development
and contact with their spiritual assistants. Many people who do not TR are intimately connected to their spiritual guides. They receive great insights on
a regular basis, but do not perceive this as conversation with the spiritual realm. You will find this to be the case in the vast majority
of sustainability design teams as they develop. You will also find that if 25% of the teams have a TR of any capability, whether
it is just budding or well developed, will be quite unusual. We anticipate that there will be perhaps less than 15% of all teams
that have an operational, capable TR. Of course, this will develop in the future.
You have good
minds that you can use capably when you work with others co-creatively, cooperatively. And you know that spirit will have guided the end
results that lead to the days of light and life. You will see tremendous results bloom from the teams almost immediately, and to
us, “almost immediately,” means within three to five years.
MMc: As you were talking, I got the vision that these
teams at various levels of spiritual involvement, all doing—not exactly the same things—but all being involved
in the same process. So
the educational process will benefit the individuals in the group and the product produced by these groups will help educate
and move the planet along.
It appears that
we are looking at the destruction of many of our institutions and beliefs with the next few years. It is hoped that these beliefs
and institutions when reconstituted will demonstrate the three core values of sustainability, the quality of life, the equality
of persons and the necessity of personal growth. These three values seem to demonstrate ultimate values, that not only should govern
the interactions between humans but should also govern the interactions between individuals all the way to Paradise. Is this correct?
MONJORONSON: Yes, this is correct. Your insight is wise.
Are there more
than the three core values in the universe?
MMc: Are there just three values? I am reminded that the finite
universe is composed basically of just three particles. The Trinity is composed of just three individuals. Are there other values that we should
embrace as well?
MONJORONSON: Yes, you will discover them after you
find that the three values do not answer all of your questions. You will find this very similar to geometry, where there are corollaries
and principles and truths and supporting developments, that you will find a structure of truth that supports these three main
will find that you may wish to call these other principles “values,” if you wish, but they continue to support
the three main values. There
may be secondary values, but you will find that once you get into secondary and tertiary values, that you will proceed in
the realm of argumentation and opinionation between individuals about that. Therefore, we teach only the three principle values at
this time, because they are Supernal; they are of such nature that they supercede all other values, that these are enduring
and eternal, and they support the whole universe. They are the principles, the values that guide the development of new Creator Son
Changes in our
I wish to go back
to an earlier clause of your question: You stated that these three values would create the “destruction of the institutions.” I, however,
beg to differ with you, that those institutions will remain, but the values will become recognized as core to the sustainability
of those institutions, and from those three core values, there will develop a new set of beliefs and expectations and fulfillments
that will necessitate a major revision, rebuilding, reforming, or restructuring of those institutions. The institution of the family
will not change; the institution of education will not change, but the core values that under-gird their enduring and sustainable
existence will be recognized as principles and fundamental to the development of a sustainable education system, and as an
institution of human civilization. I suppose I am speaking in sociological terms, but I do perceive that you understand what I am saying.
MMc: Exactly! It was not my intention to say that these institutions
would disappear entirely, but that they would be significantly changed.
MONJORONSON: Yes, were you to live another thirty
years, and hopefully you will, you would hardly recognize many of the major social institutions in your society, they will
have changed so much. Of
course, your society is at the point in its existence, the fulcrum point, where it will either go down or will go up. It is our
intention in bringing about these changes in your world, that the incline and the quality of life improves for everyone in
your nation and the world. There is no need or necessity for the destruction of nations and societies to achieve this increase. You must
recognize as well, that there will be a decrease in population, but the quality of life will improve. That may seem like a fatal irony,
and in some ways it is, but in planetary management this development is always anticipated with known remedies for the process,
before, during and after these population decreases.
MMc: The people of Urantia are not much like our celestial
MONJORONSON: You noticed?
MMc: Yes, I noticed! Celestials and the people of Urantia are quite distant
at this time, yet you’ve said that in the eventually of time, there will be complete agreement between the people of
Urantia and the celestials. What changes will we need to see in order for this to happen?
MONJORONSON: Eventually, there will be an agreement,
but “eventually” may take centuries and millennia to fulfill. Along the way, mortals of this realm, of this world,
will come to recognize that their world is just one of billions in the universe that are inhabited and managed by the spiritual
course, for that full recognition to come into existence there will be the visitation of a Divine being, an Avonal Son, who
will make his presence known to the world population, at a time when there can be an appreciation of that by the vast majority
of individuals of that planet. Your world has only recently come into that realm of possibility. That is why I am here preparing the way for my eventual
global communication system
Of a world that
is fully occupied, you have international communication systems that are instantaneous. You have media which is available to the vast, vast
majority of individuals, so that we can take advantage of those technologies. You have also, an ever enlarging group, who are involved
in the conscious evolution of this world and their principle work has been to evolve the consciousness of the minds of participants
in their efforts to reach out in the consciousness to those of the rest of the world. This is the non-electronic global communication system,
and it is proving very capable as well as it grows and as individuals in that group do not seek personal adulation and aggrandizement,
but to be of honest, authentic, genuine service to the good of the consciousness of your world. So do you see how these developments
are coming together?
of that “garden,” so to speak, were planted in the Renaissance, in the Age of Enlightenment, the Industrial Revolution. There has
been a great sacrifice in the quality of life during those developments, but they are ones that are anticipated and known. [The current revolution] is one that gives need for conscious
amendment to develop these industries and your technologies and your societies into sustainable entities. So, when you begin to look at
our efforts, you realize we have our fingers into every pie that is available to us to become involved in. We are here, we are established,
we are not going away, we are not retreating and we are going to be here through thick and thin with you, through the times
of travail and loss, through the times of jubilation and joy.
MMc: I can see that this is a developmental situation. We are taking
this venue and others like it, and then the co-creative design teams, and what is happening now are the developmental steps
that will move us slightly along the line that will eventually lead to the people of Urantia coming to complete agreement
with our celestial brethren. As you say, that is going to be an eventuality that may be thousands of years in the future, but we are
taking the first steps today.
MONJORONSON: You have to begin somewhere. You will see that in many ways,
your nation and all technologically developed democracies in the world are poised—unconsciously poised—to take
on this tremendous social change very rapidly, once it becomes revealed and known and developed. Most people had no idea about
the rapid development of Google, or of Face Book, the social media. In many ways, what we will be doing will be a different form of media,
but it will be no less global and no less active than Google and Face Book. To make itself sustainable is not an issue to us at this
time as we are in the developmental phases of designing this so that this process itself becomes sustainable, authentic, genuine and
You will see almost
a similar kind of change as when the automobile or motorized vehicle began to replace horse-drawn vehicles and otherwise. The
immense amount of change will be extremely rapid, then that rate of change will decrease, but it will become more extensive.
MMc: At your suggestion, I read “Government on a
Neighboring Planet,” paper 72 from The Urantia Book. You are correct that their moral code is different from our own, but I anticipate that we will have to
make some of the same changes in our moral code. Is this correct?
MONJORONSON: That is correct and that is in the process
of being devised right now.
MMc: Section 5,
paragraph 7 reads: “Two
hundred years ago the profit motive was wholly dominant in industry, but today it is being rapidly displaced by other and
higher driving forces.” I have two questions about this sentence: What caused the profit motive to go out of favor?
MONJORONSON: Because it
was not sustainable. When
you explore a market and you saturate that market, and you increase your revenues by mergers and acquisitions, soon you dominate
the whole global market. Then what? Then how do you grow? You cannot; you maintain. You become sustainable and that is what you will see within the next,
less than 200 years here on Urantia. There is only so much product you can sell; there are only so many goods that you can make available to people. The problem is exacerbated by
a world that is becoming overly saturated with people. Markets have grown in the past due to population growth and as individuals became
more wealthy and acquisitive and had the capability to buy more goods. When these dynamic market and social processes begin to diminish
or begin to be completed, then the amount of profitability decreases.
Many, many corporate and international corporate planners realize that this is what is in the future
and that is why you see such aggressive mergers and acquisitions by large corporations and why you have seen the neo-colonialism
that has occurred on your world. It is because it is a finite planet, and that the place to be is to dominate the market before the decrease
of population, so that your marketing and your production infrastructures are established and so that they can become dormant
or decrease, or you can close production as necessary as population decreases, but still remain in existence after the population
becomes stabilized. The
economy is finite; it is limited. It is a known factor and is little shared on your planet because very few people want to
know about it and investors and boards of directors of corporations do not want to have that [as] part of their consciousness. They feel
that there is still much to do and much of the market to work yet, to maintain high profits. The recent recession that you have seen
in this nation and western nations offers a sample of what you will see in the future. The high-flying profitability of the “90s in
the first decade of this millennium cannot be maintained—it is impossible. Those were the “good old days,” and you
are seeing them now as you live them out.
really do not know how to respond to that. Perhaps I am one of those that are reacting to this without realizing what is going on
in the minds of the few, as I am still tucked in with the minds of the masses.
MONJORONSON: My suggestion
to you, Michael, is that you begin to explore those people in your community who are spiritually oriented, but who have expertise
in areas that you know need to be explored. You will become a facilitator in your own team, so to speak. You will develop a multi-disciplined,
multi-area, multi-talented team of individuals, who are leaders in their industries or in their areas and who have questions. You have
asked expert questions in the realm of education and medical and services, which you have been exposed to all your life. You may wish
to broaden the breadth
of your question asking by engaging knowledgeable people in your vicinity. This will require you to become more socially facile
and integrated into the community, which would give you a good project, now that you have more time. We do not want you to get bored,
MMc: I have been
anything but bored!
What are the higher driving forces?
MMc: The second
question—and I’m not sure if you answered it or not—will you tell us what these other higher driving forces
MONJORONSON: Yes, of course. The higher
driving forces are your co-creative partners, one of which I am. As a planet prepares, develops in its societies and its social evolution
and its maturity, it is necessary for planetary management to become much more directly and effectively involved in the guidance
and development and inception of new social, commercial and cultural ideas and concepts that become woven into the fabric
of belief systems. The
material necessities of thinking in terms of sustainability runs [an] individual’s thinking to areas which are not material,
and they begin to contemplate the non-material sustainability of their world. Of course when this happens, then there are open
minds, and when we find open minds, we become more spiritually active with those individuals, who are cultural creatives in
their own right, in their world. We work with these individuals, whether they are God-believers or not, to broaden their thinking and
continue the inception of new ideas, so that the culture becomes more expansive and can include ideas and thoughts and beliefs
about the continuation of their world in new ways. This is a conscious transformative culture changing initiative and not simply just
developmental, but it is innovative. There must be new ways of engaging your material reality in spiritual dimensions that infuse every aspect
of human activity.
reading the paper, I became interested in how did they come to the conclusion that they did, in order to make the transition
that they had. One
of them is their “industrial court.” Do their industrial courts set the legal compensation for every one there? (Monjoronson: No.) How
does that work?
MONJORONSON: This is not
necessary for you to know for the context of our discussions, as it would be unproductive and divert your attention from your
reality on this planet to another reality on another planet. Remain focused on the issues at hand.
The new morality
MMc: Okay. Sometime
ago, you spoke about the new morality. When I searched through the transcript for the essence of the new morality you spoke of, I found what
is called for are “behaviors that have the focus of contributing to sustainability of the individual, the family and
that all decisions for the future of behavior are made with that in mind. This is the essence and core of this new morality.” Would you
like to comment?
MONJORONSON: Yes, certainly. I am taking
an aside to begin with: The
first is that the morality of your world is very primitive. It has served individuals and social groups quite well. However, there are four levels of morality which
must be differentiated and appreciated and applied in time. There is always the morality of the individual, and there is the individual at the second level within the social
have a social group, which may include a whole state; it may be a large city; it may be a region. There is then, a national morality, the larger social group,
which has an identity. Then
there is on the fourth level, civilizational morality. And as you see, the morality begins with the individual. There are certain moral behaviors that support sustainability
and certain moral decisions which detract from sustainability.
The individual is part of a social group. His or her morality must contribute to the sustainability of that
social group, whether it is the family, a neighborhood, a community, a city of ten million, or a state, which in turn has
moral behaviors that contribute to the sustainability of the national level, national sustainability. Nations in turn, make moral decisions
that contribute or increase the sustainability of the civilization. If you examine your whole world at this time in these four perspectives,
you will find that, yes, [there are] individuals who are conducting themselves in immoral ways, that detract from the sustainability
of families, of their community, of their city. There are whole communities that detract from the sustainability of the state or
larger moral group, and you will find whole nations that behave in immoral ways, which detract from the sustainability of
your whole global civilization—or threaten to. Are you with me so far? (MMc: Yes, I am.)
What has existed heretofore is a lack of central focus for the logical, rational development of systems
of morality for your world, until the thought of social sustainability comes into play. Social sustainability is the focal point for the
social/moral development of your world. It provides a fertile seedbed for your world to become much more spiritual and have the
capacity of entering even the earliest stages of light and life. So, when you draw back from that huge scope that may be two millennia
away, and you draw back to the focal point of today, now, we—you and I and our readers and listeners—are participating
in the development of a moral consciousness of your world that will have tremendous repercussions in the future. We are not so concerned about
writing moral codes to control negative behaviors—that will come by itself. We are far, far more concerned and interested in
developing four moral codes for your global social systems that contribute to the sustainability of your world, for it is
the focus on the positive that will lead your world into the light and life, and eventually negative or detrimental moral
decisions and behaviors will diminish over time. That will be a topic for another much more difficult discussion in the future, and
I leave that for the months—and perhaps next year—to discuss that with you.
Your question is well poised and well given, for this very important, momentous development in your
are, through our conversation today, becoming much more aware of the major elements at play, as we have already become deeply
invested in your social developmental processes. You are beginning to see how we are leading you into the thought of planetary management,
how this is done and developmentally, slowly, carefully, deliberately and, above all, co-creatively with you.
MMc: Thank you. Hopefully,
as I am being led, we are leading our audience along that same path.
MONJORONSON: That is our
hope as well. There
will be individuals where it “goes over their head,” as you would say, and others who will be impacted directly
and awaken within them, a consciousness, an awareness of what their Thought Adjuster has been implanting in their minds for
ages, and they will become much more active and rise to the occasion. For them, it is necessary to ask serious questions about their own
involvement in these projects.
Discovering the “God” particle
MMc: The last
time we met, you said, “Your scientists are on the cusp of revealing that they have discovered the Higgs boson particle,
the God particle, as it is called by some people, the ultimaton as it is mentioned in The Urantia Book.” Did you mean that the Higgs boson “is”
MONJORONSON: No, I did
not mean to say that. I
said that they were on the verge of discovering it. Your scientists have a new tool at CERN, and it is giving them much more accessibility to what they call,
“the secrets of the universe.” They, through this particle development, have begun to unravel the last knot of those
secrets, and that they are about to find that. If you follow this through scientific articles, you will see the wonderful work
that they are doing. They
are very much like hounds on the trail of a raccoon, and will soon have this particle treed and identified in its location,
and how it behaves and how it, in part, contributes to the universe. Once they discover this particle, then they will have the other side
of the mirror to look at. They are right now looking in the mirror trying to find this particle. The other side of that is how it contributes
to how the universe is put together. This will be the greatest of all discoveries, after this particle is identified.
MMc: The Higgs
particle is supposedly a force carrier for mass within the laws of particle physics or the standard model for particle physics. Would you
like to comment about that?
Expansion of the universe
MONJORONSON: Yes, one
moment, please. There
are three attributes of this particle, which need to be brought together. One is the particle itself, another is the development
of mass, and the last is gravity. Simply identifying the particle is just part of the puzzle. The other parts must be, as well, put together in
that puzzle. When
that occurs—and we anticipate that will occur within the next 10 years, your physicists will then understand why your
universe seems to be expanding at such an increasingly rapid rate. Many of your scientists have wondered how it is that the rate of
expansion of the universe is increasing. This, as you know, is quite a simplistic question. If you understand Newtonian physics, the rate of
increase of an object falling in gravity towards earth, is a 32 feet/sec/sec. [or 32.174 ft/sec2,] and continues to increase. For you to apply that to the
universe, you have to come to the conclusion that your finite material universe is falling “out,” for it is something
outside itself that is causing the ever-increasing rate of expansion.
Your scientists have not conceived of the magnitude of the universe and the outer space dimensions
that go on for several layers outwardly. What they have not realized is that there is undifferentiated mass that is forming, that exists
outside your known universe, and that your material universe is attracted to it. It is undifferentiated at this time, but has mass. It is as
though it were a halo around your finite universe as mass, but has not differentiated into suns and planets and nebula. That has
to do with the infusion of gravity, which is a God-given attribute. Divisions have not been made yet to differentiate the first outer
space levels into suns and nebula. Expansion of your material, finite universe is not complete. It will not go on forever, but it will have a pulse,
it will have a collapse and expansion. Collapse does not mean the collapse into a ball that will explode later, creating another “big
bang,” but simply a pulse—expansion and contraction, expansion and contraction. The expansion of the finite universe
is caused by the eternal source, while its contraction is caused by the attractive gravity from the center of the universe. You might
say that the “breath of God” exhales for expansion, and inhales on contraction. Expansion is now going on and it will
approximate a region just before the outer space level circuit. What you will see when these three elements are put together by particle
physicists and astrophysicists, is a unified theory, which will literally drop their jaws onto their chests. They will come to the realization
that they have grossly underestimated the vastness of the universe and its age as well.
MMc: I have several
more questions that have been posed by our readers, and we are at an hour and twenty minutes, roughly. Daniel, do you feel that you
can go on, or do you want me to stop here?
Daniel: I feel pretty
don’t feel spent. This
morning I haven’t had breakfast, but I’ve been drinking a 50:50 mix of lemonade and water, so that keeps me clean,
but keeps me energized.
The “powers of darkness”
you have said several times that the powers of darkness are scattered and unorganized. In our popular literature there is a group of individuals
known as the “Illuminati.” They are said to have as their goal, control of the world’s governments for their own gain. Does such
a group actually exist?
MONJORONSON: Yes, but
under a different name. They
are not necessarily evil; they simply see themselves as god-like and needing to be present to organize the chaos of the world
about them. They
recognize in many ways the positiveness of their presence and the necessity of their presence—at least for the time
realize that for them to retain a growing empire, if you want to use that word, that they need individuals, people—ordinary
people—to behave in an organized manner, so that economies are profitable, so that there is social harmony. This group has been seen as “evil”
but they are evil only in the capacity of being selfish and acting in god-like ways. They see greater profitability in the maintenance
of peace than they do of war. War is ultimately destructive and uses up huge amounts of resources and creates social chaos, bubbles
of prosperity and then recessions and depressions.
The even flow of a good-working world economically benefits all and keeps the “gears working,”
so to speak. We
wish that those of you who think in terms of the illuminati and similar groups would become discerning about these groups,
that you identify truly, what is evil about them. Do they subvert the minds of children? Are they into illegal activities? Do they sell children? Do they have world gambling? Do they wish
to have whole societies collapse? What is the evil about these individuals? It is important that you identify that, because as you project your
consciousness into the world, you—as individuals—must be very, very careful about what you are sending forth. What is the
message that you are sending out? And who is it to? It is important that you become much more facile in the use of your consciousness for you to become more
powerful using it.
MMc: You said
that they are selfish and god-like. I’m not sure how those two go together. Is it that they see themselves as god-like and they are trying to
pose greater order on the world?
MONJORONSON: They are
acting in god-like ways, with a small “g”. The gods of Greek mythology were god-like, with a small “g”. You must, in this process of
discerning, discern whether these are behaviors and actions are detrimental and immoral, whether they are neutral, or whether
they are positive and contributory to the good, moral development of your world. Many people who have been castigated as evil are
simply neutral and selfish. They act in selfish, god-like ways that are self-serving. They are mini-tyrants in some ways, having tantrums
and so on. You
see them in politics, some are very wealthy entrepreneurs and otherwise. You see some who are in politics and very wealthy, but
who are very God-like, with a capital “G.” It is important to be discerning, rather than casting stones of condemnation towards
people who are otherwise not causing obvious harm.
MMc: I can see
the difference. There
is a group that I’ll call, “conspirators,” that think that there is a conspiracy among certain groups in
our world to create wars in order to garner natural resources or to make money. These people thought that World War I, and to a smaller
extent, World War II, were caused by the people that run the munitions factories, so that they might make profits due to the
conspiritists think that this type of thing does exist in our world. So what you are saying is that we need to be more discerning about
whether or not the people we are looking at are truly acting in a god-like way with a small “g”, or a large “G”,
whether or not they are actually causing problems or simply seem so. We need to be more discerning in the way we look at our world. There isn’t
a huge conspiracy going on to completely control us, by a group of individuals who have nefarious aims for our future.
MONJORONSON: I do not
find this line of discussion useful to our ends. I wish to move on, if we could.
Random questions from readers
MMc: Okay. A reader
has asked me to pose the question: “Since I am absolutely sure that our Universal Father is perfect, and all of his creations are
also perfect, I am beginning to think that those rebellions, one of which affected our system, Satania, are actually well
intended events towards the final creation. The purpose of the rebellions are similar to the purpose of a vaccine against some sort
of contagious illness. Is
the rebellion a vaccine against evil?”
MONJORONSON: No, they
are not. This
is a continuation of your conspiracy theory.
MMc: Are the seven
Hindu chakras our Divine Thought Adjuster?
MMc: Is the Thought
Adjuster of a seven-fold nature?
MONJORONSON: Yes, within
the limitations of its existence.
MMc: How big is
the Thought Adjuster?
MONJORONSON: As big as
MMc: Another reader
Monjoronson, can you tell me something about the new nature of the Lord, Jesus Christ, the Most High and the influence it
has in the new structure of creation?”
MONJORONSON: This question
needs further delineation to answer. The “new nature of Jesus Christ”—Christ is unchanging. The Most Highs are a body of individuals
who are interested in the development and bending of organizations of humankind towards the good development of your world. This question
contains fragments of thoughts and concepts that are not necessarily incongruent, but which could be better answered in a
much more simplified manner.
MMc: There seems
to be some confusion in terms here.
Messages of the decimation
The intent of your reporting the various social upheavals in the past, the loss of our institutions
and population before these events have actually taken place was not meant to spread fear, was it?
MONJORONSON: No, it was
are not fear based; we do not generate statements that are intended to cause fear, though when some of the things we say are
read by readers, they become “alarmed,” and being alarmed is definitely a positive response to some of the things
that we say. We
know that the statements of the “decimation” of earth’s population caused a great deal of alarm, and for
other people, the alarm changed to fear. It was an alarming statement to make, with the intention of being alarming, because as
each of you know that in the morning when you have to go to work, you have some sort of alarm clock or alarm device which
wakens you. The
statements are intended to awaken you to the realization that your world is now in rapid flux and change, and that the alarm
is to awaken you to the necessities of devising your societies to become sustainable.
How to prepare for the coming lack of food
MMc: Being we
have been forewarned, and being we as a world community have given over our food to a system that will no longer be here after
the coming cataclysm, what should we be doing to prepare, to avoid the survivors starving to death?
MONJORONSON: The heart
of your question is deeply, deeply disturbing to many people on your world. You are already, in fact, seeing the destruction of your
food supplies on your world, due to mass changes in weather patterns. There is either too much rainfall, or too little. Huge swaths of arable land are
being brought into desert conditions. One end of Australia is now undergoing its first decade of drought. Areas that were once highly profitable for agriculture
are now no longer existent, but dormant. It can be once again reclaimed as farmland in the future, when the rains return. [Other] areas
have received many times their annual rainfall, to cause destruction of farmlands. You are now, at this moment, seeing this great difficulty.
How to prepare for that time when it increases even more? My friend, it is far too late for that. The world has come into its present
situation unconsciously, unthinkingly, without ever a thought towards sustainability, but rather towards growth. The world population is wildly
out of control. Density
far surpasses your world’s capacity to have it sustain any larger population. And because your world’s social/political/economic
[policies] are so unorganized, it will be incapable of feeding those who are here now, though it could if it were completely
organized, but it is not.
Friend, I wish you to think about the city of Shanghai. Shanghai has millions of people. It grows absolutely no agricultural
is 100% dependent upon water from other sources. It will be an exceedingly sad time when you see that city collapse. Agriculture lands will decrease,
as they have, for decades. There are literally millions of arable acres of land around the world, but in places that are inaccessible
or receive not enough moisture to cultivate. How to prepare? First, you must think in terms of sustainability. Think of designs for a sustainable world,
after these great difficulties have swept through your world’s populations. You must have models and designs for establishing
sustainable communities in the future, and you can begin that process right now.
Lastly, you must have a global conscious morality that is very much aware of population control. Not through
famine, pestilence or war, but through conscious processes of birth control. In the future, having a child will be a highly esteemed
privilege, an honor, and the parents will be honored and assisted in ways which are almost unbelievable to you now. Educators and healthcare givers
will also occupy positions of tremendous honor, as they prepare these infants, these children, these young adults, for responsible
co-participation in your world’s management. You see, it is not too late to prepare, but it is too late to do anything about
your incredible situation now. You can only prepare for the future. We engage you, we urge you to conscientiously begin this process now, in your communities. We will be
of assistance to you in ways which you are unaware of at this time. Be prepared for much serendipity and coincidence, divine order and
development when you approach this sincerely, authentically, genuinely. Thank you for your very sincere and meaningful question.
This is Monjoronson. I leave you for today. You have much to think about; you have plans of immense nature to think about and
develop, and to begin invoking your will and your actions to assist your world and your planet, co-creatively with you. We give great
thanks and appreciation to our ever enlarging group in this fold of believers, who help to bring about the development of light and
life in your world pragmatically and spiritually in your lives and in your communities.
MMc: Thank you,
given us much to think about today. And thanks to Daniel, as well.